Does white or male privilege exist?

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ah i.c. it's not dead, never will be, there are a multitude of reason to dislike a group of people skin color only being one of them.  I still don't see "systemic racism" even if the effects are still in existence, to what amount I don't know but it doesn't seem it has power over hard work and a will to change one's circumstance.
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So your claim is that minorities just don't have good work ethic or a will to change?
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So your claim is that minorities just don't have good work ethic or a will to change?

It's way more complex than that. One of the problems dealing with hundreds of years of institutionalized slavery is the problem of self-worth and a sense of having equal value in society regardless of skin color. There are many ways to address this, but America has taken all the wrong policy approaches up to now, and it shows with the growing malaise within cultural enclaves in urban areas across the country.
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So... policies that harm blacks more than help them?
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At a BLM rally in response to "Black lives matter"? Yeah. A stupid thing to do.

Just like going to a KKK meeting and saying "Black likes matter" would be a stupid thing to do

Pretty sure the KKK doesn't exist anymore. Black hate groups go relatively untouched, though.

No, other people having opinions you disagree with is not the same as you not being allowed to speak.

What exactly do you mean by "not allowed to speak"? Do they have to remove your tongue?
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So... policies that harm blacks more than help them?

No, policies like affirmative action.

If someone gets into a good college, they don't even know if they earned it. How would that affect your self worth- thinking that you only succeeded because of your skin color rather than your ability?

Also, it just leads to more college drop outs because under-qualified candidates are getting sent to prestigious colleges. Good job, liberals.
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I think that systematic racism is largely over and that the idea of white male privilege is a myth. Most of the arguments for its existence rely on disparities between races that favor whites. However, disparities are not necessarily or even frequently caused by discrimination. If that were the case, then whites would actually be an oppressed group and we would be living in a country of Asian supremacy. However, that is clearly not the case.
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I don't think this is a skin color issue even though some do.  We are to believe that somehow these cities and areas have been created to keep black people in even though they are and have been ran by other black people for decades.  It's a poverty issue which isn't skin color dependant nor is it cause by racism.  If someone doesn't want to be poor they don't have to be in a majority of cases.  What I see are excuses, soft bigotry of low expectations, lack of resources, caring the list goes on.
there is a large benefit to people in power/government to keep people poor and society divided, these terms they dream up are ghosts to keep us distracted from what is really going on.
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So it harms them, rather than helps them?



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So you don't think that poverty affects people disproportionately based on skin color?
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So it harms them, rather than helps them?

You tell me, bud. Do your policies hurt or help them?
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I'm asking you. Do these policies hurt them or harm them or you don't know?



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@drafterman
Obviously you are meaning this as a rhetorical question considering the decline in standards of living since 1964.
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I don't mean it rhetorically.
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Well, I think the policy was a bad one. At least, it should have been done away with a minimum of 20 years ago.

So, let me guess: you created a problem that your good ol' technocrats can fix, yes? Because that always works out. 

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Okay, but is it a bad policy that harms them more than it helps?

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Unintended consequences for sure.
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Okay, but is it a bad policy that harms them more than it helps?

Probably, now are you going to blame whitey?
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But those kids don't even have to put their race on applications, either, so.....

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Hypothetically speaking, if someone told you from birth that you deserved extra help and protection because of the color of your skin, does that help you build a society that treats all equally regardless of your skin shade or does it hurt?
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Okay, so then you agree there are governmental policies that disproportionately harm minorities. What is that if not systemic racism?
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I would say that would hurt such a society.

Now, that I have politely and simply answered your question, would you mind staking a stab at mine?

Do these policies harm minorities more than they help them?
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I'm not going to defend your liberal policies.

The only systemic racism involved in that policy is anti-White and anti-Asian in intent.
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It hurts them by taking away the privilege of attending a school they deserve to be at.
It hurts other minorities by putting them in prestigious schools that they cannot excel in.

It is a bad policy that hurts everyone, therefore it isn't a racist policy.
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I just answered it, and so have you.
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The only systemic racism involved in that policy is anti-White and anti-Asian.

It is a bad policy that hurts everyone, therefore it isn't a racist policy.
I'm confused, is it a racist policy or not?
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I see that you asked a question. I don't see that you've answered mine. Which post is it in?
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Change my mind.
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I switched up my wording a bit. I realized after I posted. The intent behind the bill was anti-white, which was racist.

You talked about the bill being systemic racism because it hurts minorities. I said that, in effect, it was not racist because it hurt everyone involved.
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Why would I do that when you are correct?
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Oh okay. Let me know when you've settled on one story, then.