Trump's Impeachment may actually fuck Elizabeth Warren the most

By not ever holding a high level position like Senator or Governor or Attorney General, Buttigieg has effectively not done anything outrageously questionable in the time he has been in politics since he has never held a position of high importance.

Trump's impeachment might actually fuck Elizabeth Warren the most.                                                                                                                                        

If the President has been impeached by the House, which he has been. And the Senate doesn't remove Trump from office, according to what I have read Trumps first term in office  is nullified and he can run as President for two more terms.

- Dem voters think he is guilty and massively corrupt, no one can change their minds

- GOP voters think he is not guilty and did nothing wrong, no one can change their minds

- House Dems would vote in favor of impeachment

- House GOP would vote against it

- Senate Dems would likely vote in favor of impeachment

- Senate GOP would likely vote against impeachment

- Due to GOP majority in the Senate, Trump likely would not be removed from office

- Its possible that Trump loses re-election anyways and makes the whole thing irrelevant by this time next 

If america stopped taking in immigrants it's economy would slow if not stop growing entirely. America is a nation of immigrants with a negative birth to death rate.

people can shop around all they want, if no company is willing to pay more, then it is entirely irrelevant. Immigration does have an effect on wages. But it is largely a red herring. Politicians and billionaires use it as a distraction because it is much easier to blame some foreigner than you don't know than to pin the blame where it really belongs. Billionaires and politicians have set up the economic system to massively reward the rich and suck the wealth out of the working class. 

sorry. He does use a lot of populist rhetoric. I can see why alot of people would like him over some asshole like the standard republican. But you can't deny he goes off on unhinged rants. There is an entire industry based around trying to interpret what he says because no one can really tell what he means .

Maybe our economy would slow, but I bet our quality of life would increase. When you stop letting in public charges, you can spend more on your people already here.

Well, you are partially correct, but you are focusing on the wrong issue. Rich people and large corporations lobby for mass immigration/open borders-like policies. This hurts the wages of people here and working conditions. Labor is the largest cost for most businesses and they want to reduce it any way they can. So, letting in a million immigrants every year will depress wages by limiting the bargaining power of native-born workers. This helps the rich's bottom line and screws working-class Americans.

I prefer him over a lot of Republicans because a lot of them are garbage neo-con sellouts. You see that whenever a big bill comes in that could challenge an interest group and they fold immediately. Lots of Democrats do this, too. The only good thing about Bernie in my opinion is that he doesn't appear to be bought.

And the Senate doesn't remove Trump from office, according to what I have read Trumps first term in office  is nullified and he can run as President for two more terms

Why? There is no reason to think a shrinking economy would somehow improve the standard of living.

again, this is a distraction. Unemployment remains low even with immigration. Wages remain low because big corporations do shitty things like destroying unions, keeping the minimum wage down, etc. 

Agreed. most "mainstream" republicans and democrats are virtually the same party. The want to make the rich richer and sell out the working class. But if you think trump isn't doing the same thing you are mistaken. The minute he got elected he filled the government positions with same corrupt people. He gave massive tax cuts to the rich driving up the deficit. They will then use that deficit to argue that spending on programs that help regular people need to be cut. 

The growth rate may slow. If you import more workers and they hold a job, it adds to GDP. But, welfare expenditures are sometimes very high. Immigrant-led households accept welfare at a 51% rate. A lot of them take more than they give, so keeping the money and spending it on ourselves has potential to increase standard of living.

Just in general, I think immigrants should have to live here for 5-10 years before receiving benefits, as that solves both problems.

I don't see how immigration is a distraction. They compete for jobs and they are willing to accept less money than native-born citizens. So, either we need to be willing to accept less ourselves or we don't get a job. That is another factor for wages not rising.

I don't think Trump is some kind of savior. He is better than the average Republican, probably. I was so pissed when he appointed John Bolton, though. Glad he was thrown out quickly.

I don't particularly care for the usual "tax cuts" Republicans do. Spending cuts need to come before tax cuts every time. But unfortunately you can't win elections promising to take away peoples' free stuff. So, about half of Republicans vote for tax cuts with no intention of balancing the budget.

There is a strong possibility Pelosi won't even pass the articles to the Senate.

One question I have is that, if the articles of impeachment aren't sent to the Senate, has Trump actually been impeached?

I would probably agree, but it would be impeachment in name only, since they would take no action on it in that scenario.

McConnell has already basically announced there won't be any action. They won't allow witnesses or evidence to be examined. If the senate is going to refuse to actually hold a real trial, then there is no value in sending the articles of impeachment to them. They will just immediately announce "nothing to see here" and try to make it all go away.

They are so afraid of what witnesses may say they will just prevent any witnesses from speaking.

For example we just found out that the aid the 1st official request to hold up the aid was 90 minutes after trump's call with the ukranian president where he asked for them to dig up dirt on Biden. That 1st email also made it clear they wanted it kept quiet, showing they knew what they were doing was wrong. 

I doubt that. The facts of what happened are fairly well known. The question is more about whether or not it's illegal and/or impeachable, and if so, is impeachment a good idea?

Only Trump and his most ardent defenders refuse to admit that what Trump did was wrong.

Personally, I think the Democrats are barking up the wrong tree. A far better charge for impeachment would target the national emergency declaration over the border wall. The Constitution makes it extremely clear that only Congress has the power to appropriate funds, so that action was a blatant abuse and overreach of executive power. If I had the power to do so, I would impeach Trump over that. It wouldn't be popular, but such a blatant abuse being allowed sets a dangerous precedent for future presidents.

Several members of the senate have already announced their verdict without having seen or heard the evidence. The leader of the senate is saying he is going to co-ordinate with the president's lawyers and that they won't allow any witnesses. That is like the foreman of a jury saying they will coordinate with the defense attorney.

Several members of the senate have already announced their verdict without having seen or heard the evidence. 

The leader of the senate is saying he is going to co-ordinate with the president's lawyers and that they won't allow any witnesses. That is like the foreman of a jury saying they will coordinate with the defense attorney.

First, she says Trump is an existential threat that must be immediately removed or the country will be destroyed, then she says "eh, no rush."

First, she says it's a solemn moment, she prays for Trump, and there should be no applause, then a few days later magically she says she has a "spring in her step" and orders the media to cover something other than impeachment. Whatevs.

2020 is going to flip the house whether she passes articles to the Senate or not. There's no path forward for Pelosi, and she knows it.

Pelosi is the REAL battered housewife here, not Zelensky.

Beleaguered Pelosi won't press charges if she thinks a trial might upset the status quo.