Should abortion be legal?

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@Alec
The Burden is on me to prove what?

I simply question your morality.

Is your morality selective?

Do you regard all life with equal measure?

Does the life of an Afghan child blown apart by U.S. ordnance, have the same value as a U.S. foetus?

Does the life of an I.S. fighter, have the same value as a U.S. foetus?

How far does your regard for life stretch?
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@Dr.Franklin
Here is a very simple truth that is far to complicated for your understanding.
You have absolutely no right to authority over any woman's body.
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Yes I do
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@Dr.Franklin
What a stupid thing to say! You claim to fuck every woman who ends up with a growth in her? You are quite obviously a virgin child, stay out of adult discussions.
Oh edited I see.
What you said was something like
My cum My baby
Pathetic don't you think?
I did tell you it was too complicated for you.
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it is growing in her because of the womens descision
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@Dr.Franklin
More black babies are aborted than born in NYC and Georgia
so basically p.p.h. and it's founder is working as designed, huh, go figure.

though one has to wonder why more emphasis, promotion and focus would be put on avoiding and preventing unintended pregnancy then emphasising, promoting and emphasizing on abortion.

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@zedvictor4
Is your morality selective?
I aim for consistency.

Do you regard all life with equal measure?
No.  I think Bill Gates is worth more than Dylan Roof was when he was alive.

Does the life of an Afghan child blown apart by U.S. ordnance, have the same value as a U.S. foetus?
Yes.  I oppose what the military industrial complex is doing in Afghanistan and think we should focus our efforts towards areas where we are wanted.  We are wanted in Kurdistan, South Korea, and Japan.  We are not wanted in Kuwait or Afghanistan.

Does the life of an I.S. fighter, have the same value as a U.S. foetus?
No.  The fetus is more valuable since they did not commit murder.  I think ISIS is only popular in the middle east for the same reason Trump won in the US.  Many Americans didn't like Trump, but they hated Hillary, so they voted for Trump reluctantly.  If we pulled out of the middle east, ISIS would lose much support.  If the IS solider killed civilians, I would try them for murder.

How far does your regard for life stretch?
My ideology is freedom for everyone, including the unborn.
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@Alec
My ideology is freedom for everyone,
Except women, they must follow your rules.

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@Dr.Franklin
Talk about this:

My cum My baby

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@Alec
My ideology is.

All life is equal but shit happens.

Though shit is only shit if one decides that it is shit and at that point shit becomes an internal concept with no real necessity for any external validity.
That is to say, there is no real authority to judge human thought. That's one for our own consciences.

And you are no doubt selectively moral.
As are we all.





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@zedvictor4
My ideology is.

All life is equal but shit happens.
If you believe all life is equal, would you equate a blade of grass, which is life, to a human?  I wouldn't.

I believe your value depends on what you do to society and your species, although this claim might get modified.  Although a baby has done about as much for the world as a blade of grass, the baby is more valuable because of their species.

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@Alec
Nobody is talking about babies.
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@disgusted
Science confirms that a fetus is a human being.  Are you friends with ebuc?  You sound very similar to him.
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@Alec
Nobody is talking about babies.
A woman is a human being who has autonomous control over her body, you have absolutely no rights concerning her body.
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If the woman didn't want to be pregnant, she could have contraception.  Combine a birth control pill with a condom and pregnancy doesn't happen.  Also, how far does the autonomy argument go?  Does it go up until birth?

We ban rape because it infringes on a woman's right.  No one I know of supports a rapist's right to choose.  However, we also should ban abortion because it infringes on the fetus.

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@Alec
You have absolutely no right to a woman's body so just shut up about it.
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@disgusted
Your being off topic.  Stick to the abortion thread if you wish to talk about abortion.

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@Alec
Don't look now little man but this is the abortion thread.
I see you can't keep up. SAD
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@disgusted
I confused threads.  Sorry about that.

Regardless, abortion should be banned and punished.
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@Alec
Anyone with those beliefs should be executed.
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@Alec
Blade of grass, baby.

One finds that people tend to use the term "baby" as it is somewhat more emotive.

Nonetheless, blade of grass and baby are both inert masses unless they possess life.

What is your distinction between the spark of life in a baby and that in a blade of grass?

Your higher regard for the baby is an obvious natural bias.

And my regard for equality is simply directed towards life, rather than the associated mass.
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Anyone with those beliefs should be executed.
I thought you were against the death penalty.  If your against it for murderers, you should be against it for pro lifers.

You certainly wouldn't be for an individual's right to choose their ideology.

This is also a very communist ideology.  Tour China and when you get sick of them due to their communism, let me know.  Hopefully, your allowed back in whatever western country your in.

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One finds that people tend to use the term "baby" as it is somewhat more emotive.
I can use different terms, like homosapian.

What is your distinction between the spark of life in a baby and that in a blade of grass?
Chromosome quality.  A homosapian has more complex chromosomes.  There I think is something that makes humans superior to grass blades, otherwise people who mow their lawns would be committing genocide, which is incorrect.



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@Alec
Your ignorance knows no bounds but you consider your obscenities can't be reciprocated. Stay out of adult subjects, they are beyond your capacities.
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@Alec
Chromosome quality.  A homosapian has more complex chromosomes.  There I think is something that makes humans superior to grass blades, otherwise people who mow their lawns would be committing genocide, which is incorrect.
The rattlesnake fern has 184 chromosomes, so prove that they are less complex.




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The rattlesnake fern has 184 chromosomes, so prove that they are less complex.
Because humans are more complex organisms than a snake.

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@Alec
You see once again, your ignorance.
It's a FERN.
I asked you to prove the fern's chromosomes less complex, in your ignorance you you think making the claim is proof.
It's not.
Try to learn something, anything before you repost.
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It's a FERN.
I asked you to prove the fern's chromosomes less complex
A fern is a less complex organism than a human because of what common sense tells us.

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@Alec
You repeating the same ignorant claims is not proof.
Now Google proof.
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@disgusted
You repeating the same ignorant claims is not proof.
What claim?  The claim that a fern is a less complex organism than a human because of what common sense tells us.  

Maybe what separates humans from other animals is that humans are smart, but that doesn't hold up to consistency too well.  Otherwise, killing people who are very stupid would be encouraged and it shouldn't be, because maybe intelligence isn't what separates us from animals.