South Park Mafia DP4

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Aslo as far as I can imply about my role, I can't be roleblocked.
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@Speedrace
If you're going to NL, please explain why Singularity wouldn't have been RBd
It's possible mafia only had 1x RB in a JOAT.

Then again I can't imagine why mafia wouldn't have just RB'd Single and killed grey, or RB'd grey and killed single.
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On NP1, that is.
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But I also can't imagine why mafia would fake claim doc + watch DP1, with what, only 3 claims before hand? If I was full doc or full watch I'd CC that immediately. Also, a watcher claim could be countered with results any time you claim to use it. That's super ballsy for mafia.
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I agree that behaviourally, water is town.
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@Bullish
Depending on what Singularity is as mafia, having a real doctor or watcher out themselves might be worth the trade, especially if you argue that it isn't a true CC, only an overlap.

Also, with only one active role claimed (Grey as Cop) and a bunch of vanillas, then mafia is really controlling the visits. As long as you watch Grey (which he did) then you will know - as mafia - whether or not anyone else visited him.

Of course, that's assuming he isn't actually a watcher which he totally could be as maf. It would make a lot of sense of be a maf watcher + rber joat. After all, no one claimed to be roleblocked N1 when Singularity claims to have watched grey, but then grey (whom Singularity admits to have visited) claimed to be roleblocked N2.

His wording and play is off. In D2, he says "no one tried to kill grey." That's an odd claim from a watcher. As watcher, you don't know what anyone was trying to do, only that they visited your target. Even if he wasn't watcher and was BSing a report, if anyone came in and contradicted him, he could potentially weasel out of a CC, e.g, "I didn't say no one visited him, I said no one tried to kill him."

Lastly, the stuff with him trying to CC Speed as the NK target because he "protected" Grey is extremely suspect. Just because there wasn't an NK when you protected someone doesn't mean that it was because of that protection.
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I can't believe I overlooked this last DP:

Grey was RBed on N2 when Singularity visited him.

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@drafterman
I've been running down some scum teams.

1. Lunatic -
2. Drafterman - TOWN (by behaviour)
3. WaterPhoenix -
4. SpeedRace -
5. Bullish - TOWN
6. iLikePie5 - TOWN (role mod confirmed)
7. Oromagi - TOWN (I confirmed kind of)
8. Singularity -

Speed and Single's interaction suggests there is at most 1 scum between them.

Single and Water's interactions suggest there is at most 1 scum between them.

If single is scum, then neither Speed or Water are. Which only leaves Lunatic. Which means there are only 2 scum out of 12, which is very imba (unless there is TP).

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Aslo why did virt just happen to flip this DP? Doesn't that make the janitor kind of useless?
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The only scum game I could find Water in he claimed mafia 4 posts in then lynched himself.
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@Bullish
It does, yeah. All in all Supa is doing some weird stuff with the roles here. Suicide bomber is almost always a maf role.
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I've lost some town games but I've never been as unsure as I am in this one.
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@Bullish
It's mylo, but they'll probably just kill Pie or Oro and things really won't change.
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@drafterman
drafter, if you conclude that Single is scum, then you must also conclude that I am also scum, if we go by my logic.

Your perspective from my perspective:

1. Lunatic -
2. Drafterman - TOWN (self)
3. WaterPhoenix - TOWN (by interaction with Single)
4. SpeedRace - TOWN (by interaction with Single)
5. Bullish -
6. iLikePie5 - TOWN (role mod confirmed)
7. Oromagi -
8. Singularity - SCUM

Leaving 2 scum out of 3 in Lunatic, me, and oro.

I semi-confirmed oro, which means if I'm town, then oro is town. But that's impossible, since again that would mean there's only 2 scum, Sinlge and Lunatic. Therefore the only viable option is that I am also scum, and made a mistake "confirming" oro for town cred.
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@Bullish
I am fairly certain that Single and Lunatic are scum.

After that, then I agree that it is down to you or oro.

You could have been scum trying to get town cred by confirming oro while at the same time fishing for his role.
Alternatively you could be town and Supa has vanilla = goon.

We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.



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Guys. Ai am town. With 3 scum left, lynching me would lose you the game. I think it is pretty clear water is scum, but there is no harm in waiting a Dp. I am not stupid enough to fake claim both watcher and doctor, knowing that would be not 1 but 2 potential CCs. I certainly would not do it DP1. I also think that water is a strong man. Get his claim and see if it is something that can be confirmed in the NP, if not than just do the common sense thing and lynch him
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Yeah, we know there is a roleblocker, and if singularity wasn't blocked, she is most definitely scum. Going with speed on this one. VTL singularity.

We have to lynch drafter tomorrow. 
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Or Pie is a godfather lol, why are you both ignoring that

He was ROLE confirmed, but that role could be scum
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Water already full claimed - Token Vanilla.

And early on too. He was like the second person to claim.
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@Speedrace
That is a possibility, yes.
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@Lunatic
I'm not getting lynched today or tomorrow.
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And Pie actually hasn't been role confirmed.
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Pie's stated action makes sense both as mafia or town, so it's a wash either way.
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Was just told that Randy Marsh is incredibly selfish - not considered evil but was iffy

Same on Mr. Garrison 
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@drafterman
Role confirmed by what the mod said

Supa point blank admitted to it last DP
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@Speedrace
Oh, that. Yes.
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So then it's down to Singularity, Lunatic, and Bullish/Oro
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Lynch in that order and we win
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@drafterman
I'm not getting lynched. Hey look, I can do it too.
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@Lunatic
lol, you did it all wrong.