I think Warren's vicious smear of Bernie might be the final nail in her campaign.

This is under the assumption someone else is better?

There is a difference between fact and conjecture. You gave conjecture when I gave facts. See the difference? You literally inference an entirely new area and you constantly do it. 

to mean you thought Biden has the best chance of winning, when it is the exact opposite

Polls have him winning on the democrats side. Do you have polls to state otherwise? 

Socialism is still socialism is any shape or form, no matter what it is. Just because they have election doesn't make it not socialism

Ok, be misinformed. Obama wasn't a good president, bu he wasn't a socialist. He was a Progressive

Democratic socialism is socialism that advocates for democratic elections and controlling the economy more or less. Socialism is the same thing, just a variation, hence, it is still SOCIALISM

Personally I don't look at polling too much, I mean trump was supposed to lose by like a huge amount but it was the other way around.

most of the field would be better. They don't have a record about being wrong about most major issues or ruining the lives of potentially millions of people. 

But your facts are almost entirely irrelevant.

It's like if i did a study of people who had never eaten jelly beans and asked them their favorite flavor of jelly bean. The answer would be irrelevant because they don't know the answer yet. Polling a theoretical candidate who hasn't been publicly vetted against a known quantity (trump) is not useful a year in advance. The public are not aware of his record yet. 

I meant he has the worst chance of beating trump due to the previously mentioned list (the mental decline, his abysmal record, the millions of lives he has ruined etc).

He still has a solid chance of winning the nomination. Although Sanders is now close enough that he has a serious shot at winning. 

communism and democracy both include votes for the leader, so they must be the exact same system by your incredibly simplistic world view. I guess you just love communism. 

No because communism uses socialism as it's economy and is a dictatorship under one party. Democracy is democracy. Stop

Why does that matter when Trump can literally use anything to attack you on?

Are you saying those conspiracy theories about Hillary were correct?

But your facts are almost entirely irrelevant.

Lol. Spoken like a true anti-intellectual. 

In reality not in your fantasy world the polls were right about Hillary. This only works if they were wrong. They weren't wrong.

How so you don't have facts only assumptions on what Trump will attack him on? Bearing in mind Trump will attack anyone on anything.

He still has a solid chance of winning the nomination. Although Sanders is now close enough that he has a serious shot at winning. 

Poll?

welp looks like CNN is going to burn Bernie lol

loaded debate question pitting Warren against Bernie

then the "leaked" mic confrontation after the debate

classic.

How do you know this when literally no country ever can be considered communist? 

But for sanders, he will call him a socialist and say he is old. But those aren't great attacks.

But I would say the large majority of them were lies. 

Indeed. An intellectual wouldn't throw out facts that are completely irrelevant. You may as well pull polling from the 1970's to try to predict the election. 

Did i say the polls were wrong about hillary?

This isn't true. He wouldn't attack Butigieg on being too old. He would say that about Sanders. You can look at the candidate's faults to see how they can be attacked. For Biden that list is extremely long and damaging. Trump would have his pick of attacks that would work because there are so many terrible things to choose from Biden's past. 

Polls show Biden and sanders in a dead heat in Iowa. Since Sanders typically does a few points better that polls suggest for reasons I have already explained (but will explain again if you want), this means he has a good shot of winning. 

Polls also show Sanders within 1 point of biden in New Hampshire. Again, since he regularly does a few points better that polls suggest, that puts him in a good spot to win too. 

Polls, if you include one from over a month ago, say Biden has a 5 point lead in nevada. Without the poll from a month ago it's more like 3. That is also a good opportunity for bernie to win.

fair enough. I was trying to show him that things can have similar names and similar characteristics but be very different. 

Why are they not great attacks?

So polling data is irrelevant? Gotcha.

It only takes one for it to stuck. Sure he can't attack him on being young but there is still stuff he can attack Bernie on. 

Biden is currently winning. I didn't accept that the polls are wrong so plz tell me how the polls are wrong about Bernie.

Just for the future. Mopac is literally the embodiment of someone impossible to change.

He tried to get Warren to run in 2016, and only ran himself because she refused.

Republicans have called every democrat a socialist. When literally everyone is on the receiving end of the same "slur" then it loses all meaning. They would certainly use it against everyone in the democratic field right now. 

As for old, Sanders is still sharp as a tack. Trump isn't a whole lot younger either. 

If there were an election between Biden and Trump next month, that polling would be super useful. but there isn't. Polling data about a hypothetical matchup long before a campaign starts is irrelevant.  

So in your opinion, it makes no difference if one candidate has a huge amount of terrible things they have done and the other hasn't? They are 100% the same in their chances against trump? That makes no sense. 

Polling companies weight their polls towards the people they consider most likely to vote. This is usually older people who voted in the previous elections cycles. This group favors Biden more than sanders. They weight against younger people and new voters because they consider them less likely to vote. In cycles where no one is actually trying to appeal to those groups, that is a viable strategy. But since Sanders has wide appeal and energy among those groups he gets much better turn out from them. This is why he consistently did better than the polling suggested he would in 2016. That is why he is likely to beat the polling by a few points this time as well.

Is sanders going to do 10-15% better than the polls say, no probably not. But 2-5% better is likely. In some areas he beat the polling by 13-15% in 2016 though. 

thanks for the heads up. 

So Bernie is somehow going to be good in the meme game since he is still sharp?

It is still useful. I don't think there is a lot that can change if very little happens. Sure something extreme like a market crash can occur which will almost certainly give the victory to Democrats but I don't think it will happen.

Another great good faith interpretation. I am saying no matter who they are they will still be attacked by Trump. It might be easier to attack Biden but it doesn't mean Trump will find it difficult to attack Bernie.

This is not an odd phenomenon that you use past data to measure future occurrences. You are literally riding on the hope that new voters will arise and also vote for Bernie. Do you have any data to support this and a polling company who has this data?

If young people were such a factor overlooked why were the polls right about Hillary V Trump?

Is sanders going to do 10-15% better than the polls say, no probably not. But 2-5% better is likely. In some areas he beat the polling by 13-15% in 2016 though. 

Show me data on this.

I thought you knew that already. 

I'm not sure I understand your point. He is still quite on top of his game. Biden on the other hand is clearly declining.

What do you mean if very little happens? An election is going to happen. Things will absolutely change between now and the election. 

You basically just accepted my point. It is much easier to attack Biden because he has an abysmal record. Trump will attack whoever the nominee is. It is much easier to attack someone with so many terrible things in their record. 

Voter turnout among the 18-29 age range was up 79% in the 2018 midterms over 2014. The recent trends suggest younger voters are much more likely to turn out than in previous cycles. This means that the weighting under values them. 

If young people were such a factor overlooked why were the polls right about Hillary V Trump?

Because young people didn't like hilary. Hilary was a corporatist, neo-liberal.

The Wisconsin polling mostly put bernie at around 45%. He got 56.6% of the vote. 

Iowa polling had him around 44%, he got 49.5% of the vote. 

Arizona Polling put him at like 25%, he got 41.4% of the vote. 

We are discussing how people would fair against Trump. Do you actually think Bernie will do good against Trump?

You keep saying it would be easier to attack Biden but haven't explained why. Record doesn't matter when Hillary lost the meme debate because of her conspiracy theories.

That is a clear example of a candidate as in Hillary still had the right wing lie and make stuff up to have people like Trump to use that against her. Why make the claim that Bernie would do better when they can just lie about him as well?

Any proof that the polls are unfairly polling or am i supposed to believe that? 

All that you proved is that the 18-29 age group of voting went up. Not polls are under-valuing them nor are they going to vote for Bernie. 

You would also need to explain why the polls were right with Hillary V Trump even though that also showed a positive trend as in an increase among 18-29 years old voters unless of course that you haven't thought that through.

You didn't answer my question. You literally gave a reason that Hillary is disliked not that the polls were wrong or right about Hillary. Are you going to answer the question? 

For Arizona they said Hillary would win and she did. A swing state is difficult to tell who would win which is why it is called a swing state.