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@Mopac

The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is not contingent on observation or postulation.

Hmmm, okay...

The Supreme and Ultimate Reality existed before the universe, is greater than the universe, and will exist long after the universe. If there is even a multiverse, The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is greater than all of this, existed before, willl exist after, and is eternal.

Without observation, how do you know these things to be true?

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@Mopac

I thought Ultimate Reality simply meant The Truth. Yet now you say it also means something that cannot be known.

It also begs the question, if Ultimate Reality cannot be known, how do you know it exists?

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Ultimate Reality is what makes any reality real at all. The fact that we are having an experience shows there is some form of reality. Ultimate Reality is the reality that is most real or true. The reality that gives all realities their reality.

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@Paul

I don't know about the purpose part

And then you went on to explain its purpose lol...

stairs explode they make the atoms that make people and dirt and all the other stuff in the universe.

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@Paul

Yes it's the universe.

Let me be clear here, the universe has no intelligent agency, just the laws of physics. A flowing river can create a canyon, but the river has no intelligent agency either. Many people wrongly assume that when they see the word creator it implies an intelligent agency, it does not.

It would appear we share a common creator. And an awesome, fascinating, deeply mystifying creator it is.

Why do you think it's so important to people that our creator have intelligent agency?

Obviously I already have an answer and could probably guess yours, but all people do in religion forums is ask the same questions and have the same discussions, so why not.

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Ahhh, star dust? but do you know why star dust exists?

American astronomer, astrophysicist, astrobiologist, cosmologist, author, science popularizer, and science communicator in astronomy and other natural sciences, says ;.

"we are star stuff"

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@Mopac

To be clear, you said the "The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is greater than all of this (the multiverse], existed before, willl exist after, and is eternal." By this view, "Ultimate reality" and reality are not synonymous.

Now you've changed your story saying the 'ultimate reality is a reality that is most real or true'. Not only is this contradictory to your previous explanation, but it does not answer the question it set to answer, which was:

Without observation, how do you know these things to be true? How could anyone (without observation) know anything about what might or might not of existed before or after existence as we know it?

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I dispute that I have made any contradiction, I have been very consistent the entire time I have been posting on this forum.

If there is any inconsistency, it is certainly in your interpretation, because I understand what I am saying.

I do not need to know how things truly are to know that there is a way things truly are. You are asking an unreasonable question.

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@Mopac

The contradiction is unmistakable, but I certainly cannot force you to address or clarify anything.

Also, if you know how things truly are, why are you unable/unwilling to show others how you know these things?

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I never claimed to know how things truly are.

I said, to rephraee, I don't need to know The Truth to know The Truth exists.

Those who deny the existence of God are very wrong, and it isn't even honest to entertain the idea that they could be right. After all, they are not just denying any old thing, they are literally denying Truth itself. It is a self defeating position.

So really, if you were to say, "The Ultimate Reality does not exist", you would be the one contradicting yourself. You can't say, "It is the truth that the truth is a lie and there is no truth!" without obviously contradicting yourself, and that is exactly what someone is doing when they say there is no God.

In fact, it isn't even reasonable to be on the fence about this.

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@Mopac

If there is any inconsistency, it is certainly in your interpretation, because I understand what I am saying.

Why is that everyone else who speaks to the contrary of an opinion are the ones that "don't understand" "have misread" " have misinterpreted" "can't read", "are ignorant"?

You have been caught out clearly for everyone reading here to see Mopac.

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I must be too ignorant to see that, because I just see you projecting your haughtiness on to me.

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@Mopac

I must be too ignorant to see that, because I just see you projecting your haughtiness on to me.

Or stating a fact.

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American astronomer, astrophysicist, astrobiologist, cosmologist, author, science popularizer, and science communicator in astronomy and other natural sciences, says ;.

And my post and answer said...

"Stars exist for the purpose of seeding the universe, where planets can inhabit life."

Yes, we are star stuff, as well as conscious/soul stuff. Starz keep the universe alive, not the conscious soul. But of course, star "dust" is what seeds our universe.

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@Stephen

I am certain that everyone here does not see me as being inconsistent or contradictory, so you are not stating a fact. Your presumption that everyone sees as you do is haughtiness.

It stands to reason that someone whose stated position is that "The Truth does not exist" would be an arbitrary and haughty individual.

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Your comment makes no sense at all. Are you religious or something?

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@Castin

That would require a long answer, but something along the lines of the structure of the brain, our evolutionary past, our psychology, the false positive, etc. People like to anthropomorphise things so they tend to wish to see things as being alive, they do it a lot in story telling which is what the bible is, stories.

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@Mopac

Why do you keep saying that over and over? You need only say it once, I heard you the first time.

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@Paul

Repeat what?

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@Paul

Your comment makes no sense at all.

Which one? I'd be glad to make sense of it for ya. Usually what I write is pretty straight forward and easy to get so I'm doubting it makes no sense.

Are you religious or something?

Lol you just figured that out in the religious section?? I would more so classify myself as spiritual, even though they go hand in hand sometimes "religious" portrays something fundamentalist in nature.

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@Mopac

You sound like you are trying to sell me something.

Your use of the word truth is excessive, why do you think that is?

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I freely give the good news, that The Truth is salvation, The Truth sets you free, and what can be better news? We don't have to lie to ourselves or believe in ridiculous things. Abide in The Truth.

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Well yeah, but the only people that go out of their way to say the word truth are normally recognized as likely to be frauds. You are just perpetuating that stereotype.

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