Hey guys. Just getting out of class and will be catching up shortly.
Recycled Roles Mafia DP1
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I want to tally up the times someone has been "town confirmed" when they weren't
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@drafterman
As scum, I pride myself on being town confirmed multiple times.
Of course, I also even in scum chat refer to how obviously scum certain town aligned players end up being. I honestly had a hard time believing it in one case, even while I sat in the scum chat murdering people.
1. Ragnar (replacing SirAnonymous)
STRONG town read. He joins instantly and confirms SA's claim AND provides a PM. Unless he was given a fake claim that his teammates rushed him to use, I see no reason to suspect him.
Also, this means we have a cop
2. Virtuoso (replacing supadudz)
Only fluff
3. oromag
Town, doubt he could've made a fake claim that quickly
4. DD
Null for not, although I seem to recall something Lunatic did confirming him? I'll have to go back and look
5. iLikePie5
Don't recall anything about him
6. drafterman
Null, although pushing the claim like he has been is a negative for me
7. waterphoenix
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8. Bullish
Apparently confirmed Vig
9. Greyparrot
Strongest scum read, hasn't even explained why he isn't full claiming
10. Zaradi (replacing Singularity)
Singularity only fluffed, not sure on Zar
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@Barney
Something drafter didn't put in your summary: GreyParrot did not full claim like he always does
Disc's** not drafter's
I skimmed over the DP and just want to address a few things real quick before I do my catch up post:
Last night I was not in a state to play mafia, so I may have done some things this DP which are more retarded than usual.
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Here's a TUF modded game I played in, where I was scum: http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/70999/
In the scum PM, he explicitly said this: "Given the vast amount of characters and main characters in the series, I will not be providing any fake claims in this game."
There's no reason to assume he provided fake claims this game given the 300 games played on DDO.
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I am not "confirmed vig." In that game Solon played and was replaced in. Solon could have been vanilla or vig.
This was one of the retarded things I did last night, which I'm rectified this evening by rereading my role PM. But even then, it's still 50/50 if I'm vanilla or vig.
Since there's a pretty high chance that I am vig, I'm just going to tell everyone how I usually play as vig. If I'm vig I kill every night unless there's an exceptional reason not to. This is because I firmly believe in using every town directed kill available.
This is false. In truth I lock myself into an explicit claim very early on but I try to encrypt it or disguise it somehow if I don't think I should say. But I try to make it sufficiently sensible so that the clue could not be more than one possible claim. This should lend my claim credit for early claiming while preserving uncertainty where advantageous. I think everybody should be doing it because it makes fake claiming that much more dangerous.
In south park you were confused for Kenny.
Last game I thought you were Okoye given your "SPEAR" reference, which could have easily conflicted with my bodyguard role, given Okoye is literally a bodyguard for the black panther.
If it had been your intention to lock yourself down to a claim, you've failed. And your propensity to do this is exactly why drafter and I want to lock you down to a real character claim right now.
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@Bullish
Oro has already full claimed.
I agree that claiming characters (players) is better than claiming games.
The thing about these old DDO games is that they are so old, Google has stopped indexing a large number of them. As such, it would be very difficult to actually find all the games a player has played in even with drafter's googling trick. This makes claiming players better, because it's more difficult for scum to find a good fake role down the line.
Scum is also forced to balance a claim between claiming a player who has been in a lot of games and thus has had a lot of roles, versus a more obscure player in order to avoid being CC'd. The claim list so far as I've said have mostly been players who've played a lot of games.
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@Zaradi
thanks
UNVOTE
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@oromagi
Post #308 was addressed to oro.
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@drafterman
I've played serveral games where Endark was scum.I could only find three games with Endarkened in it and he was town in all of them.
I've stopped on page 10 because I've been called upon in real life. This list is incomplete.
(*) = claimed without being prompted
1. *Ragnar [repping Sir] - Antidoter - miller (bsh1's star trek mafia)
2. *drafterman - Koopin - ??? (???)
3. *Zaradi [repping Singularity] - endarkened rationalist - ???
4. *Discipulus - Geogrophia - ???
5. Bullish - SolonKR - vanilla or vig (www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/46148/)
6. *Virt [repping Supa] - 1harderthanyouthink - ???
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@Bullish
If I'm vig I kill every night unless there's an exceptional reason not to. This is because I firmly believe in using every town directed kill available.
If you've studied the math behind the Monty Hall problem, then it makes perfect sense. Mafia lead night kills have a 100% chance of being directed at town. Lynching often has mislynches (not going to formulate it right now). A vig by targeting any random player, has a slightly better than random chance.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
There is no reason to VTL someone unless you want to lynch them immediately, therefore if DD VTL'd me earlier then he must have wanted my immediate lynch earlier.-oromagi 2020
I mean I believe that unironically.
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@Greyparrot
Whatever the reason for Oro not claiming, I am still absolutely 100% convinced Lunatic would have given Oro a safe name and a safe role claim if Oro was actually scum.
I am still absolutely 100% convinced
100%
"You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means."
He also said Pie was 100% town last game. So, I'm not sure they make grains of salt big enough to take this with.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
He was saying the Civil War game was themelessGP saying 'it is probably themeless'
Imagine if Supa and Single rolled scum together, and that's why they were so mad.
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@Bullish
I am not "confirmed vig." In that game Solon played and was replaced in. Solon could have been vanilla or vig.
This is what I was alluding to when I said "there are holes in oros theory that I won't point out". I was kinda hoping you were vanilla this game and scum would not notice this detail and waste a NK on you thinking you were vig.
(*) = claimed without being prompted
1. *Ragnar [repping Sir] - Antidoter - miller (bsh1's star trek mafia)
2. *drafterman - Koopin - ??? (???)
3. *Zaradi [repping Singularity] - endarkened rationalist - ???
4. *Discipulus - Geogrophia - Executioner (http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/104680/)
5. Bullish - SolonKR - vanilla or vig (www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/46148/)
6. *Virt [repping Supa] - 1harderthanyouthink - ???
7. Oro - Marauder - doc (http://debate.org/forums/games/topic/9236/)
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Lets get at least one more, oro popcorn someone.
Oro is too salty about being tricked into claiming to popcorn (salt/popcorn pun totally intended). What do we do in this case? Have drafter popcorn someone since he never got a chance to maybe?
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@Bullish
Imagine if Supa and Single rolled scum together, and that's why they were so mad.
It isn't.
Anyway, we need to decide what to do with this day phase.
I don't think we have player-characters from Water, Speed, or Pie.
Let's do Pie.
VTL Pie
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Have drafter popcorn someone since he never got a chance to maybe?
Already on it, Cochise.
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@ILikePie5
Please claim.
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@drafterman
Already on it, Cochise.
✓
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@ILikePie5
VTL pie
Popcorn
Official Vote Count:
iLikePie5- 2/6- Drafterman, DD
Greyparrot- 2/6- iLikePie5,speed
Vtl pie
Now I'm thinking about popcorn flavored pie. What's wrong with me?