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This is a message to all religious forum users.

Since the beginning of the new year, the overwhelming majority of forum post reports has involved users and posts in this forum. Over two dozen of such reports with only 2 or 3 not being from this forum.

Many of these are not strict violations, but come close to toeing this line. Some users have had to be warned and some posts deleted.

Despite these actions, user interactions has grown increasingly vitriolic and more and more posts are coming close to and crossing that line. Rather than continue to issue individual warnings and habding out temporary bans, I am sending out a blanket warning to all religious forum users:

Reign in the insults and personal attacks. There is a negative feedback loop that is making each conversation consistently worse and worse.

The Moderation team is going to establish the following course of action:
1. Mark all current reports as handled; the above warning serves as a warning for all users regarding all reported posts.
2. Continue to monitor the situation.
3. If individual threads receive a high number of reports, and those reports involve posts that cross the line, or are coming close to crossing the line, the moderators will post a warning in that thread and lock it for 24 hours.
4. If the behavior repeats after the thread is reopened, the thread will be locked permanently.
5. If a thread is locked permanently as a result of the above, any users with any post that violates the CoC will be temporarily banned.
6. Continued violations after a temporary ban will result in further bans of increasing duration until the ban is indefinite

The moderation team knows that any discussion about religion will inevitably get heated, but please make sure you are following the CoC. 

Thanks,
Virtuoso
-Chief Moderator



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Thanks.
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meh, was expected

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Can you give us an update on how things are going in your opinion?

Has the board gotten better, stayed the same or gotten worse?
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There has been some moderate improvement, especially since Disgusted is gone. Though the vast majority of reports come from this forum 
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Thanks, but since reports may not actually represent the CoC state of the board, and the vast number of those reports come from one person, I meant, when you examine those reports, has behavior improved or not?

I will redouble my effort and encourage theists to do the same.
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 and the vast number of those reports come from one person,

How would you know that to be the case? Are you stating facts.

I am sure that if it were only "one person"   a board full of moderators would be able to handle it without having to issue this broad and collective notice.

So, could you put us all in the picture as to how you would have such first hand knowledge when the moderators have specifically stated that "  Over two dozen of such reports" have came from the religion forum? Are you telling us that you have first hand knowledge that almost two dozen reports have come from one single poster? 
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This thread should be reserved for acknowledgement, questions, and concerns about the above warning.

Non-moderators do not have visibility into the author of reports and a blanket, forum-wide warning would not be issued if this were limited to reports by or about a single users.

The authors of the reports are multiple and the targets are multiple.
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I did not say it was a single reporter, but that most reports were by a single reporter.

But we're glad things seem to be improving.

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I did not say it was a single reporter, but that most reports were by a single reporter.

Stop with the semantics and your lies. This is what you have written at post 6 above:

 "the vast number of those reports come from one person".

It would be nice to know how it is that you appear to have access to knowledge that only a moderator should have?

Here is your full post 6 quote in its full and complete context :

Added: 01.29.20 12:46PM
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Thanks, but since reports may not actually represent the CoC state of the board, and the vast number of those reports come from one person, I meant, when you examine those reports, has behavior improved or not?

I will redouble my effort and encourage theists to do the same.


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I did not say it was a single reporter, but that most reports were by a single reporter.

Stop with the semantics and your lies. This is what you have written at post 6 above:

"the vast number of those reports come from one person".

Right, I said most reports were by a single reporter. I did not say all reports were by a single person.

It would be nice to know how it is that you appear to have access to knowledge that only a moderator should have?
How? Other than the fact that the mod verified it above? Common sense. 
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When we have people with a hate boner for Islam and/or Christianity that repeat the same tired topics as if something has changed apart from the next breaking news (Stephen), literally people who give 4 word responses as if that in some way answers anything (Mopac), literally inconsistent people who deny science for non-verified miracles whenever it suits them (n8nrgmi), beta Harikrish (ethang5) and more that I can't remember.

The most decent forum posters don't even post anymore like secularmerlin and Stronn.

And you think the personal attacks are the problem? You have literally fixed the problem of personal attacks when disgusted and Harikrish were booted of the site yet this was necessary. The only really people who can be banned for personal attacks are me or ethang5 currently. At this time only ethang5 commonly posts on the Religion forum so there is only one.

Forgot about BrotherDThomas. He is definitely going to be banned. 

 
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Wrong person

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Wrong person

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I believe that I am consistently a high quality poster. 


What you get out of me is directly proportional to the amount of honest effort you put into having a conversation with me. Simply trying to disprove my position is a waste of time when you don't understand it. You won't understand it if you reject it upfront.

I represent a very simple position, one that gets to the root of atheistic superstition. If I was believed, it would be apparent that I am only speaking the plain and simple truth. There is no reasonable argument against the position I represent, because it is flawless.

What is my position? The Eternal Way of Truth.

Certainly a position that goes beyond me.



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I believe that I am consistently a high quality poster. 
You also believe that God exists so yeah.
What you get out of me is directly proportional to the amount of honest effort you put into having a conversation with me.
Honestly (insert personal attack).
Simply trying to disprove my position is a waste of time when you don't understand it. You won't understand it if you reject it upfront.
Guess you are not hear to have your mind change instead preach. A problem of the Religion forum. Nothing really eventful happens instead the same few people say the same thing about the next breaking news. Shame if only there was actual discussion not preaching going on. I guess this can be used for pretty much anything but I'll just stick to this.
I represent a very simple position, one that gets to the root of atheistic superstition. If I was believed, it would be apparent that I am only speaking the plain and simple truth. There is no reasonable argument against the position I represent, because it is flawless.
This is you preaching right not giving an argument? Noted. Guess all I say to this is that I don't understand it because I require an argument to understand it.
The Eternal Way of Truth.
ooo another 4 word phrase. 

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Exactly what I mean.

I suppose the pursuit of understanding would be meaningless to someone who identifies as a nihilist.

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Exactly what I mean.
Guess you agree with what I said.
I suppose the pursuit of understanding would be meaningless to someone who identifies as a nihilist.
I never knew I needed a pursuit to be able to understand but guess I am not the 4 word andy. 

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Locking this thread as it has gone off topic. Please direct any questions to the moderation team via PM.

46 days later

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Related to the OP, Speedrace and I have made the decision to begin locking new threads created by already banned users. This is in accordance with the CoC as per the invented actions clause. 

I am implementing it using my best judgement, to minimize interference with user engagement (at least relating to users not banned).

This admin thread is at least temperately remaining unlocked to allow any discussion of this.
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Although you have conveniently quoted the rules as the reason for the escalation of my banning (e.g. using a second account in order to circumvent being stopped from initiating threads) it may be worth reviewing the following.

The reason given for being suspended for making threads in the first place was:
 Given the previous hard warning
I was not aware of a previous warning (the preceding post), so I did not (willingly) defy such a warning. Upon reading the second post I sent you a message of apology. My message was ignored and not replied to.

The example of your reasoning in the second post was completely incorrect. You misquoted:
Accusing people of having boils on their asses for which they refuse medical treatment
Whereas, I actually stated:
 ........is going to cure the boil on your backside in favour over all the hundreds of thousands of parents around the world simultaneously praying, whose kids are dying from the most horrendous diseases.
Meaning; I hope that God would give priority to helping dying and suffering children above curing a petty complaint by a self-centered individual.

We then see you continue with:
behave or we'll more directly help you behave.
and:
we take your continued behavior to be a request for help with your impulse control. 
Surely, are you not guilty of breaking your own rules in order to unfairly castigate somebody else?

In other words, "designed to provoke" and "(rife) with insults."

I have made valuable, thought-provoking and ethical contributions to social forums for many years and to be singled out in such a manner I think is unfair. Perhaps you could bring it upon yourself to review your decisions.
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this is the last place for willows an he knows it

Relgiousforums is heavily theist, he cant get away with his spam,conduct or beliefs

Every other religion board or internet forum is dead, including the DDO one with hari the only person posting into oblivion

He knows this is the last place for him with the balance of theism VS atheism and the community that has known him, so he will continue creating alts for a week

Then he will move on to either social media or a completely different internet community and spam his religious nonsense

Oh well
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so he will continue creating alts for a week
Much longer. He is compulsive and cannot stop as long as his compulsion has not found another outlet.

Then he will move on to either social media or a completely different internet community and spam his religious nonsense
And promptly get banned as he has been at every other site he has infected.

And as usual he will ignore all the evidence of him being a moron troll and insist that he has made valuable, thought-provoking and ethical contributions to social forums for many years, never admitting that for those many years, everyone called him an idiot.
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HE IS Going to move on to a non-religious forum that has a tiny sub-forum called "beliefs and skepticism" or whatever and spam

All political forums have that
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And as usual he will ignore all the evidence of him being a moron troll and insist that he has made valuable, thought-provoking and ethical contributions to social forums for many years, never admitting that for those many years, everyone called him an idiot.
Don't you think that you are even more guilty of what you accuse others of?

Do you care to at least be human and civil by making an intelligent reply to the reasoned discussion presented by the person to whom you just made a post full of vile vitriol?