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@ILikePie5
In a 269-269 tie the House would select Trump as the President. Would you support that?
i don't understand what you are trying to ask.
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@HistoryBuff
It’s a pretty simple question. If no one gets 270 and it goes to the House and they choose Trump, would you be fine with that?
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@ILikePie5
It’s a pretty simple question. If no one gets 270 and it goes to the House and they choose Trump, would you be fine with that?
why would that happen?
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@HistoryBuff
why would that happen?
It’s a hypothetical that I’m curious what your thoughts on it are
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@ILikePie5
It’s a hypothetical that I’m curious what your thoughts on it are.
Democrats don't know how to hand over the power rei(g)ns peacefully, which is why the party is doomed, whether Bernie wins the nomination or not.
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@Greyparrot
Democrats don't know how to hand over the power rei(g)ns peacefully, which is why the party is doomed, whether Bernie wins the nomination or not.
has any democrat ever refused to hand over power? Have they even ever suggested that they wouldn't? This statement makes no sense.
Trump on the other hand has made numerous comments suggesting he would refuse to hand over power. It's amazing how much republicans project trump's issues onto the democrats.
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@HistoryBuff
You still haven’t answered my question...
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@Greyparrot
It’s ominous that HB won’t answer my question about the House choosing Trump per the 12th Amendment
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@skittlez09
It's kinda sad, I would've enjoyed being alive for the first gay president and the first gentleman.
There were a lot of aspects of Buttigieg that I liked but one of my biggest issues is that he has a pretty big lack of experience to be running for president considering all he has been is a Mayor of South Bend Indiana..... He would probably make a good cabinet pick or maybe even VP or a Senator but I could never really see him as a president.
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@HistoryBuff
has any democrat ever refused to hand over power?
Umm...how about all the Congressional Dems save a few that voted for faux impeachment?
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@skittlez09
we would have lost every single ally in the Middle East and Africa, no serious nation would support us except for Europe and Canada
Homosexuality outside of liberal nations are still banned or unpopular
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@Greyparrot
has any democrat ever refused to hand over power?Umm...how about all the Congressional Dems save a few that voted for faux impeachment?
What does that have to do with the question? You said dems wouldn't hand over power when they were supposed to. Your examples was them exercising their constitutionally mandated responsibility to impeach a president who had violated his oath of office and abused the power of his office.
The two things are not related. One was the dems doing exactly what the constitution says they should, the other is you suggesting they would refuse to do what the constitution says they should (without any evidence).
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@ILikePie5
@HistoryBuff
Because in 2016 Obama started Crossfire Hurricane using illegal FISA investigations, a court originally created to investigate foreigners, to imprison political American citizens. That isn't handing over power peacefully.
Clinton delegitimized the election before Trump took the oath claiming Russia installed Trump as a puppet, so we shouldn't recognize Trump as a legitimate president.
If a Republican did any of this, the MSM would have it on 24/7 as an example of abuse of power and a failure to transfer power peacefully without all the banana republic BULLSHIT.
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@Greyparrot
Because in 2016 Obama started Crossfire Hurricane with illegal FISA investigations. That isn't handing over power peacefully.
Potential criminal activity was investigated. Then they handed power over exactly as they were supposed to. That isn't evidence that supports you.
Clinton delegitimized the election before Trump took the oath claiming Russia installed Trump as a puppet, so we shouldn't recognize Trump as a legitimate president.
Do you have any idea how many republicans (including trump) suggested that Obama wasn't a legitimate president? If that is the bar you want to set, then much of the republican party is guilty of that.
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@HistoryBuff
Do you have any idea how many republicans (including trump) suggested that Obama wasn't a legitimate president? If that is the bar you want to set, then much of the republican party is guilty of that.
Trump only asked questions. He didn't have anyone illegally surveilled and did not imprison his political enemies. Trump didn't support impeachment against Bill Clinton and sympathized with Bill Clinton in an interview with Chris Matthews in 1998.
Massive apples and oranges.
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@Greyparrot
Trump only asked questions. He didn't have anyone illegally surveilled and did not imprison his political enemies.
trump openly accused a sitting president of being invalid to hold that office. You say hilary questioning trump's validity is somehow a problem, but when Trump did it he's "only asking questions"? Do you hear your own hypocrisy?
Trump didn't support impeachment against Bill Clinton and sympathized with Bill Clinton in an interview with Chris Matthews in 1998.
so? Clinton lied about a blow job. Trump openly abuses his power for personal profit and power. The 2 things are in no way similar.
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@Greyparrot
Still crickets from HB
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@HistoryBuff
You say hilary questioning trump's validity is somehow a problem, but when Trump did it he's "only asking questions"? Do you hear your own hypocrisy?
Nope, I am questioning Obama's illegal actions as he failed to transfer power peacefully. I didn't even go into all the last-minute executive orders he signed to torpedo Trump.
Democrat party is toast because everything is fruit from a corrupt tree, and nobody cares about fixing it, except maybe Bernie, but the party will never allow him to peacefully have power. Party is toast.
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@Greyparrot
Pedo Joe has entered the chat.
As an outsider I am so amused by Americans and their non understanding of socialism. Socialism is an attempt to help people. Conservatism is all about SELF.
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@ILikePie5
Does that relate to rapist Donny in anyway?
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@HistoryBuff
How much kyle kulinski have you been watching? Not saying it in a bad way, but your sounding like Kulinski.
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@Seth
Socialism is an attempt to help people. Conservatism is all about SELF.
Conservatism allows you to get an Iphone that you can use to take a picture of the breadlines and poverty that socialism creates.
Capitalism makes. Socialism takes.
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@HistoryBuff
Do you hear your own hypocrisy?
RWNJ's never do.
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@Alec
So you only understand socialism as indoctrinated to you by the right wing fascists of the absurd conservatives. Not very enlightened are you?
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@Greyparrot
Socialist Alert, Putin Alert, Russian Alert, we need to get a FISA Warrant ASAP
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@Seth
Name me a time where socialism has worked in society
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@ILikePie5
Hope Bloomberg paid him well. Love the game playa.
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@Vader
There is a common misconception that roads, libraries, police, fire protection and other services provided through government are instances of socialism. Instead, they are examples of public goods or common goods; everyone may use them, they may be used by several people simultaneously, and, for the most part, are non-rivalrous in that use by one person does not diminish supply for another.
The claim that the existence of government services means we are enjoying socialism is false. Just because a common good is provided by the government doesn’t make a nation socialist.
Socialism is an economic system in which goods and services are provided through a central system of government ownership of the means of production rather than competition and a free market system. It is a system that does not allow private property ownership, industries are nationalized for the “greater good,” and all persons may receive from production regardless of individual effort. “To each according to his needs” was the basis of Karl Marx’s ideal state.
While roads, libraries, and emergency response services may be available to even those who have not contributed to their operational costs, they do not produce goods that may be distributed to individuals. Socialism ignores the truth of the means of production — capital, entrepreneurship, land, and labor — by claiming that those factors may be communally owned. While capital and land may be owned by others; in a free-market, only the individual can own his or her entrepreneurship and labor as it requires talents and personal lifestyle choices and personal investments that not all possess.
We already know what owning labor by the government is called. None of the current public goods are considered a "human right" today. You don't have a personal right to a police officer or a firefighter, or a soldier. You don't have an absolute right to roads or the services of road crews. This is for plainly obvious reasons dealing with personal liberty and for restricting enslavement by the government, yet we are willing to not only destroy the production of all healthcare in America, but we are also flirting with the idea of doubling down on the destruction of that resource by making it a human right?
We are not living in some fantastic balance of socialism and capitalism, as they are mutually exclusive. What we have is a free enterprise system based on the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and property, and while there are certain government-imposed economic controls in place, it is not socialism.
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@Greyparrot
Giving free education, universal health care, and others are instances of socialism. A mixed economy is good without a doubt about roads, public transport, etc being good. I never claim that's socialist, but the benefits of a mixed economy that benefits the middle class and everyone. However, Bernie's socialism will crush America's middle class and send them into crippling debt. We have no money to form these radical programs created. All of our resources would focus on this, and we would become weak.
Also, the perfect balance of interchangeable ideas is key to economic growth. The economy should be symbolized in the judicial scale method. The perfect balance is ideal, but a small shift with focus more on Capitalism is key to functioning in a more prosperous society. Bernie threatens to shift to socialism to the point where we become unbalanced and tilted in a direction that causes the weight to fall in society. Balance is key, but a lean in Capitalism is perfectly fine.