Buttigieg Drops Out, now the race really begins

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Giving free education...

First off, government-owned industries like public education are not "free"

Secondly, there is a huge difference between handing out welfare or vouchers so someone has the opportunity to go to school and the wholesale ownership of the education industry by the government.

We know from the classic tragedy of the commons that the people who work in government-controlled education have very little personally invested in their product. they have tenure for life as long as they follow the die stamp the government gives them. AOC was once caught bragging that she helped her family member escape the tragedy of the commons by getting said family member into a Charter School.

Most of the Nordic nations Sanders wholeheartedly endorses have far more educational opportunities and far less government ownership of the educational industry as the USA.

If there is one area where you can say the USA has fucked up royally with socialism, you can say it is most certainly with the government ownership of public education.
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at one time, things like building roads etc, those jobs where "bid" on by private companies, so while publicly funded it was also tied to capitalism, as it  should be and expanded into other government funded things.  Government control should be at a minimum and only when absolutely necessary.  It seems people believe in that enough that they came out to vote for Biden who seems to be the least of all evils.
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It baffles me that America wants to see healthcare go the way of public education. Unless you live in a special district with a rare, good public school, most people would do anything to get their kids in a real school. 

Imagine having to move your family to be near the best government-owned hospital like they do now to be near the best government-owned school? The price to move there will be astronomical due to supply and demand.
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So you only understand socialism as indoctrinated to you by the right wing fascists of the absurd conservatives.

Even Bernie Sanders denounces Socialism and he has resorted to just wanting to make the US fiscally more like Europe, with medicare for all and free college, even though not all european countries have free college. 

Socialism is a 100% tax rate and everyone gets the same UBI of the national average salary, so everyone has the same amount of wealth.
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I said Bernie is trying to make it free
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Bloomberg suspends his campaign and endorses Biden. Now the ENTIRE moderate voting bloc is united behind Biden, right before Michigan, Missouri, and Washington hold primaries on 3/10 and right after cleaning up on Super Tuesday. 


Assuming Warren pulls out in the next few days, the race will now be Sanders vs Biden

gg




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This is such a trainwreck. Biden's gaffes are legendary.

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Two questions, what country do you live in that is a true socialist state and not a giant capitalist nanny state?  And how has socialism helped you? Socialism has never been about helping people, it has always been about controlling people and rationing what they get and what they can do. You can argue till your blue in the face that there is a difference between socialism and communism but there is none. Both are about the same thing, control and rationing to make people live with the least amount as possible without uprising and turning against the ruling elite that of course live in opulence and know whats best for everyone.
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"Socialism is a 100% tax rate and everyone gets the same UBI of the national average salary, so everyone has the same amount of wealth." Except of course the ruling elite that will live in opulence. Anyone who has the power to tell me what I can and cant have and can and cant do will have more wealth and freedom  than I.  I'll assume you are for the giant nanny state where the producers are punished and the slack asses are rewarded.



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I'll assume you are for the giant nanny state where the producers are punished and the slack asses are rewarded.

No.  I want cheap effective health insurance.  Europe does it cheaper than us.  I don’t support unconditional free college.  I support small government on the military industrial complex.
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Choose two>>>>>> cheap, fast, good
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I pick cheap and good.  If you need to wait 2 hours for a surgery, it's what Iphones are for; to keep you busy.
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" If you need to wait 2 hours for a surgery," Um ya, try  two months or two years depending on the surgery if you want cheap

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I think a surgery would only take 2 years if the surgery was non life threatening.  People can wait for non essential surgeries.  If it's a surgery to where you need it in 6 months or you would die, then you'll get the surgery in 6 months.  This is partly why Europe has a higher life expectancy than the US.
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k THEN

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Oh I dont expect any sort of huge change in distance between Sanders and Biden just because Buttigieg dropped out. My main emphasis is now that Buttigieg is out, the pressure is substantially higher on Gabbard, Warren, and now Klobuchar to also pull out.