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@Buddamoose
Drafter- Its true Rational has been certain there is a framer.
Ah, but you need to catch up. Now he's saying there isn't a framer. (#141). Convenient.
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@Buddamoose
Sheriff Franco Aguirre : When you're paranoid, you don't know it. Other people know it. I know it.
Sheriff Aguirre : [to John] Seatbelts. The thing is if you're in a car and the car's going 65 miles an hour, you don't feel it. You feel like you're sitting at home watching TV. Until the car hits something. Then you realize the hard way that you were going 65 miles an hour, too. Wakes you up real quick to the truth of the physics when your head goes through that windshield. Seatbelts. The thing is, John you've been going 100 miles an hour ever since Danny died.
He is a cop closely tied to John who doesn't know he killed Danny and is clearly the 'good guy' in the cop unit that John has to keep lying to to keep cover. It's obvious to me.
Town = characters who are trying to figure out the truth of Danny's death
Or not being involved with it too i suppose. Though so far all present claimed characters have had some direct involvement with investigating Danny's death. Something law enforcement seems unaware of being non-accidental as the trial seems to revolve around Marco's killing and the framing of O'Bannon for Marcos murder.
Kevin goes to see Marco to tell him that John killed Danny; Marco responds that John, Meg, and Kevin are all going to prison. Kevin murders Marco.
Following Diaz's murder, seeks Roy Gilbert's help to cover up the murder. Gilbert engineers a plan that frames O'Bannon for the murder, but Kevin nearly loses his life in the process. The impending trial creates further rifts within the Rayburn clan
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If there is a framer its prolly Roy Gilbert as thats the actual instance of person X being framed for Y crime. Not making it appear as an accident(the covering up of Danny's death.). John fits with Janitor/GF fmpov. Kevin fits with Janitor. Gilbert with Framer. Robert potentially could be GF because he looks "innocent" for most of the show to outside observing characters, but the reveal that he almost beat Danny to death was a huge show reveal and rightfully implicates him as a root cause of what eventually lead to Danny's death. Consider that at one point John tells Danny, "you were a fuck up before Sarah." As in, though Sarah's death is a valid reason why Danny might otherwise have suffered emotional trauma, he was a screw up beforehand, justifying John's intrinsic hate for Danny.
But unbeknownst to John, Danny had been beaten near to death by Robert(now dead.). Something that presumably is what's eating away at him in season 3.
John is increasingly consumed by guilt for Danny's death
As that was post Sally's huge reveal about Roberts behavior and how Danny was almost beat to death as a child. This kind of information more than reasonably seems to be what would cause someone who think they did the right thing(John) to realize otherwise and be torn asunder by that realization. Particularly in terms of killing ones own brother.
Ok now were those quotes in suspicion? Where is the link to the site you pulled that from. Was it singular quotes, or pulled from the entire script? If the entire script, what season, what episode, what page?
He is a cop closely tied to John who doesn't know he killed Danny. Is clearly the 'good guy' in the cop unit that John has to keep lying to to keep cover. It's obvious to me.
To me this makes it less likely he would be anything but a naive cop. The show, and the game seems to, center around Danny's death. Aguirre is otherwise fooled. That last quote seems to be Aguirre telling John to relax. That paranoid quote looks sus, but it could not be, just as the second quote could be sus.
I'm gonna need to read the script around these two quotes before I can judge that. They lack context, an important part of discerning the meaning of speech in a conversation. If you could pass along the link to the scripts of the episodes these are from and the page they are located on that'd be great.
^^this was @rational
@Rational- both those links take me to David Zayas imdb. Neither has any backstory on the character he plays as Sheriff Aguirre, neither contains those quotes. I'm left again wondering where you are pulling this from?
Did you just Google "sherriff Aguirre bloodline quotes" ? Lol cause when I googled that this link was the first and it contains the second quote.
Two links down i click on this link, and it's the first quote. Breh you do understand fishing for quotes does not mean reading the script, right?
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@drafterman
^^im just saying, this looks like some quote fishing to justify a defense being made up on the fly/talking out if his behind regarding that whole, "I read the script, the storyline isnt important" because it was becoming pretty clear that he was pulling Aguirre being most likely to be the cop if cop is in game, out of thin air.
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@Buddamoose
You're preaching to the converted here. I was convinced the second he dropped his framer line when it no longer suited him.
Note: I HAVE A VERY BUSY DAY ahead and I have a meeting tonight that will keep me offline until at least 9:30 EST, but I'll try my best to pop in.
I skimmed. I saw that Hammer got a Guilty on drafter and drafter claims to have gotten an Inno on me. One's first instinct would be to believe Hammer, but I'm thinking about how Earth's role was janitored. If Earth was the cop, scum would know (potentially Hammer) and use that to forge a mislynch on drafter. I'm trying to figure out if that would be worthwhile for scum.
Let's assume 2/8 people are scum today. If we mislynch town today (drafter) and town gets killed at night, DP3 starts with 2/6 scum. If town mislynches tomorrow, we'd go into DP4 with 2/4 scum and Mafia would win. So fake claiming a Guilty result today makes sense if you consider one more mislynch tomorrow = Mafia victory. In that case, drafter allegedly getting an Inno result today feels more town.
HOWEVER, if Hammer is lying then we'd lynch him tomorrow. That's why all of this talk of a Framer is really tricky (although I admit Framer does fit the theme). Hammer could just say "I guess drafter was framed" to justify his result. I do think both a Janitor and Framer seems OP for scum though; I can't see TUF doing it. Therefore RM comes across as really sketch, but he's hard to read. I'll have to think more about this and probably go back to read more in depth later.
@Hammer - Do you think there is both a Framer AND Janitor?
@Budda & drafterman - Do you think there is both a Janitor and Framer?
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@Danielle
I'm about 70|30 on there being a Framer.
that's how I knew if there was a real cop it would be Aguirre
My first guess was Marco Diaz.
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@drafterman
Idk man, now that i look at it. Seems like he's been BS'ing out theme knowledge the whole game. He isn't really justifying behavioral reads well and has been spouting off whatever is convenient to FoS'ing despite those things clearly being misrepresentations of actions, but that even if those actions were taken, misrepresenting those actions as scummy when they're not as in pretty much every case townies do and have done those same actions often.(ex: bandwagon and sheeping)..
Consistent, but consistently scummy. I still think it's Hammer/Vaarka. But Rational is worth considering if Vaarka turns up inno.
Either way, you likely are getting lynched today. We have ur result, and you don't get anymore. So we lynch you to test Hammers claim. If you are inno, we lynch hammer. If you are scum, hammer is clear and i have to reconsider my reads.
I don't think there's a framer in the game. The only person that makes sense as such to me would be Gilbert, but Gilbert wasn't directly or indirectly involved with Danny's death/cover-up(janitor) of his death. Which seems to be what the game is revolving around.
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@Buddamoose
Blindly following a claim when there is a janitored role is a mistake. Is his guilty the only factor here? If so, I'd argue that's not enough in light of the circumstances.
Minus the result (which we can't trust), who's the scummiest? You've objectively arrived at who you think is scum. If your reads are depending on resolving Hammer/Me, then we simply don't have enough information to resolve it with a lynch. If they aren't, then there is no need to resolve it with a lynch.
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@Danielle
No, fmpov it's Godfather + Janitor. Others are covering fkr John so he looks innocent and it doesn't come out he killed John. John was the one who disposed of danny's body, but it was all 3 siblings who decided to do that. And Kevin as janitor makes sense fmpov because he killed marco, and took steps with gilbert to frame O'Banmon for Marcos death.(O'Bannon had said he had proof John killed Danny).
On second thought, it's possible John is GF, and fmpov perhaps Kevin could be JoaT? 1x Janitor, 1x Framer, 1x(?). Or something like that. But I'm otherwise uninclined to think a full janitor and framer would be present.
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@drafterman
He's the scummiest, but I think a janitor + framer would be imba.
Lets see, if we didn't lynch between you two, who else? Neither one of you will die, so the only way we parse that is via a lynch. Idc about lynching Hammer over you. Others prolly will though because Hammer if town can produce more results.
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@Danielle
Does your PM mention characters and provide backstory?
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@drafterman
Minus the result (which we can't trust),
Ur right, we can't trust his guilty result thats why we test it by either lynching you or him.
Quick question though, last DP you said GP is "inscrutable as he always is" to you. Yet you investigate Danielle, why?
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@drafterman
If you have such difficulty reading GP, why would you investigate someone you didn't think was scummy from what I recall?
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@Buddamoose
Best targets for investigation are nulls, of which Danielle was one, and, from a utility standpoint, it would be better to have her confirmed. No offense to GP, but do who would you rather have confirmed?
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@Buddamoose
No, fmpov it's Godfather + Janitor. Others are covering fkr John so he looks innocent and it doesn't come out he killed John. John was the one who disposed of danny's body, but it was all 3 siblings who decided to do that. And Kevin as janitor makes sense fmpov because he killed marco, and took steps with gilbert to frame O'Banmon for Marcos death.(O'Bannon had said he had proof John killed Danny).On second thought, it's possible John is GF, and fmpov perhaps Kevin could be JoaT? 1x Janitor, 1x Framer, 1x(?). Or something like that. But I'm otherwise uninclined to think a full janitor and framer would be present.
Damn, Kevin kills Marco? I think I only made it to Season 2 (and don't remember much of it) so thanks for the spoiler ;)
I was going to say I could see Meg as the Framer given what I got up to in the show.
Anyway I agree that a Janitor + Framer is OP, so it seems the best course of action is to lynch drafter. If he's Guilty then we MUST lynch him tomorrow and not even bother entertaining the possibility of a Framer. That's why I wanted Hammer and others to weigh in on if he believes the Mafia has 2 OP roles.
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@drafterman
Blindly following a claim when there is a janitored role is a mistake. Is his guilty the only factor here? If so, I'd argue that's not enough in light of the circumstances.
Agree, but if we discount the possibility of a Framer, why else would he get a Guilty on you? What else could there be - a role redirector? That, too, seems OP for scum.
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@Buddamoose
Yep.Does your PM mention characters and provide backstory?
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@Danielle
Either I was framed or he's scum fake claiming for a mislynch. I lean toward the former.
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@Buddamoose
What does "imba" mean? (Brb btw.)
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@drafterman
So to be clear, you think the game started with 2/9 scum, both of which had a power role? I guess it's possible, but do you really think it's 30% likely?Either I was framed or he's scum fake claiming for a mislynch. I lean toward the former.
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@Danielle
Sure. It's not necessarily imbalanced, especially with multiple ways of confirming townies. I can't imagine having an innocent child and multiple investigative roles without someway for mafia to muck with that. Also, the roles are not necessarily permanent. It's possible they are one-shot, like a mafia JOAT as Budda was suggesting.
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@drafterman
Fair. Do you think Hammer is scum or do you think you were framed?Sure. It's not necessarily imbalanced, especially with multiple ways of confirming townies. I can't imagine having an innocent child and multiple investigative roles without someway for mafia to muck with that. Also, the roles are not necessarily permanent. It's possible they are one-shot, like a mafia JOAT as Budda was suggesting.
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@Danielle
Choo choo bitches, the hammer train is in station. No way mafia has a janitor and a framer, and afaik drafter never claimed miller. Easy lynch.
Post 75 from Hammer.