Tyranny at Lafayette Park

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Ok. Now you re merely jumping from the medical to the judicial, and vice versa. Stick to the topic. It’s purely judicial. 

Ad hominem will get you no where. Do you have any statistics on the claims you just made regarding the use of tear gas? 
Finally, Yes  I agree with them. Protests eventually need to end, esp if they are from the get go, illegitimate. 
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In that case there was a law that made it illegal to do what they were doing. POTUS doesn't have the authority to make laws. Some protestors were blocking the street which may have been a violation, but I didn't see anything beyond that.
Code of Federal Regulations, Title 36, Parks, Forests, and Public Property. President wasn’t even involved in this. AG Barr wanted time move the perimeter back in the morning after the vandalism of the church the night before. Protecting public property falls within the realm of the federal government. And the judicial precedent is set regardless of how it was set. For example Marbury v Madison established judicial review, but judicial review doesn’t just apply to court appointment processes.


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Ad hominem will get you no where.
Anyone who disagrees with him is a retard. You, me, Greyparrot
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A vast majority of the time instead what happens is that the governor or some official has arbitrarily decided the protest needs to end, and riot police are given the order to start shooting off tear gas to clear it out. Thats what is actually going on. 
I don't know about a vast majority, but I do agree some of the governors are using their police in a tyrannical manner, they are flexing and showing their power.  The old guy who got pushed over and hit his head, I really don't believe that was intentional, he stumbled backwards because he was starting to move backwards when he was pushed.  This imo is the fault of how they are trained and taught.  They are 100% control all the time, everytime, I'm certain there is a better way so these instances don't happen.  But that starts at the top doesn't it.  Who makes these policies and standards?  I've said it before, watch the 2a and 1a "audits" on youtube.  People think in those instance the police violating people's constitutional rights is no big deal but that sets a tone and precedence .  They aren't afraid or concerned with these interactions even when they are recorded and know it will be on some social media platform.  The arrogance and disdain for the public comes in part from their immunity and protections from consequences.  Just my 2 cents.

You will get whatever you allow/tolerate.
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Do you have any statistics on the claims you just made regarding the use of tear gas? 
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/03/texas-police-force-protests-george-floyd/

Looting that does occur takes place almost exclusively at night, yet tear gas and rubber bullets are repeatedly fired into protest crowds during the day when no looting or arson has even come close to starting, and this is the case throughout multiple different cities across the whole country where protests are taking place. 
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Greyparrot reached retardation a while ago, you willingly decided to join him by being unable to recognize basic truths. 

Did you get around to reading those four links I tagged you in that massively disproved your initial beliefs, or did you blatantly not read those because you are more comfortable being a wrong idiot then someone who alters their views and beliefs based on new evidence? 
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Steven Crowder had the perfect analogy. If you go to a house party and it eventually turns into an orgy, you’re no longer a party of the party; you are part of the orgy. 

IF YOU WANT JUSTICE, YOU MUST HAVE PEACE FIRST.

-Alveda King

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Anyone who disagrees with him is a retard. You, me, Greyparrot.

It's ok, he has called people racist as well for not spewing the correct dogma.

Cancel Culture is strong in this one.
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No. You made a claim regarding protests in general. That is the way you phrased your sentence. I’m asking for the use of tear gas during riots and  protests in general. 
Finally, if you could refrain from using completely biased sources as references it might add weight to your argument.

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I’m asking for the use of tear gas during riots and  protests in general
What specifically are you asking that the mountain of evidence cited previously doesn't explain? 



if you could refrain from using completely biased sources as references
Says the guy who hasnt posted any sort of source in the first place outside of a definition 

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Dr. Alveda King: 
"You must have order, even in protest."


Dr. Alveda King: 
‘We must insist on peace so that we can have justice’

Do you disagree?
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The real tyranny is local Democrat government officials allowing brownshirt thugs to burn the country down for the sole purpose of interfering in a democratic election.
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I learned about the way of truly protesting something. I have now a full comprehension of the anger pent up with riots. The rioters have so much frustration for their well being that they could not control their anger. When they couldn’t control their anger, mainstream media’s like FOX caused them to report on the riots over the plenty of peaceful protests. I learned that there are far more peaceful protests than there are violent ones. My question was why? Why was the media all over the riots, but not peace. I looked to discover the answer from various sources. The answers is revenue. Revenue flows from the clicks, views, and likes. This is a force created to earn the revenue. Boring stories are pushed behind to make way for clicks. I’ve learned that the protests going on are 98% peaceful, with no mallace intended. The way of manipulation consumes the media.




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“Protesters had been attempting to pull down statues on Monument Avenue.” Peaceful right?

Cox v New Hampshire and Code of Federal Regulations, Title 36, Parks, Forests, and Public Property ..



Refer to CNN article you posted.

Refer to ABC 

Refer to ABC News

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“Wong, the journalist who tweeted about the tear gas, said that 20 minutes before curfew, a few water bottles were thrown, and things started to escalate quickly. “I never heard an unlawful assembly declared.”


“Maria Norris said police escorted her and other protesters and were friendly until they walked onto the bridge that carries Patton Avenue and Interstate 240, causing traffic to stop.”

“APD Chief David Zack said the tear gas was used after protesters got onto interstate for a second time and officers feared they would endanger themselves and drivers.”


“Dallas police Chief Reneé Hall said her department used tear gas at a Friday protest, defending the decision as a way to disperse “very large crowds” while causing “minimal injury.”

“We’re not talking about protesters. We’re talking about criminals,” she said at a Saturday news conference, referencing those who destroyed property.


Peaceful huh? Yup only you believe that dude. If a people start getting violent, it’s no longer a peaceful protest even if you are being peaceful. But hey, I’m a retard right?
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The real tyranny is local Democrat government officials allowing brownshirt thugs to burn the country down for the sole purpose of interfering in a democratic election.
It’s funny how all of this is happening in cities controlled by Democrats for decades. poLiCE bRUtAliTy
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What else have I learned? Our police enforcement is broken. It needs to be heavily reformed. There needs to be deeper effort gone in to research the officers that are in charge. We need to remove the blue wall of silence by giving incentives to report racial profiling in basic stops. We need to reform laws that give police the justification to be a jury, juror, and executed. They’ve become so powerful, that there desire and greed has consumed them. The negative spirit has flowed within them, and the true anger is being released, but with that, they have $1000 equipment. To the police who pushed an old man, I heard hell is brutal during the summer
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I’ve taken the time in my life to become more peaceful and control my energy of negativity. I’ve watched anime, and tried to steer away from negative thoughts I have with other people, in a way to flood feelings and control my thoughts

I’ve learned that anger itself is the spirit of a demon that has no control if let untouched. I learn that controlling anger and using it in ways to benefit my spiritual being will lead me to be more successful 
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Everyone is victim to letting anger control their mind. We must learn from this mistake and try to achieve ultimate peace, using anger in a way to make social change
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I also learned that the people who have power, yet struggle to control anger, are the people I fear the most
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You good bro?
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The rioters have way more anger than anyone, but they are defeated because they lack power. There is no reason for them to go and loot when they will easily be defeated by our law enforcement and they will justify the anger with “commiting a crime.”

People need to act peacefully, and when the anger that goes uncontrolled by authorities abuses people who have anger controlled, those who do not control anger will be questioned, hence why Trump is being questioned
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I’ve actually never been better. 
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Frankly, i didn’t learn much when it comes to practical aspect, but I’ve learned more about the way of life and the spiritual aspects that effect the practical aspect
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It’s funny how all of this is happening in cities controlled by Democrats for decades. poLiCE bRUtAliTy

Trump is actually exercising immense restraint considering the tools he has at his disposal to get Democrat governed areas back under lawful control.

He didn't have to limit the level of force to just pepperballs and smoke canisters.

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If you don’t know my profile picture is Sasuke Uchiha, who is able to control the inner demons he’s been cursed with in Naruto (from what I’ve seen) That same effect applies to anger in the real world
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Trump is actually exercising immense restraint considering the tools he has at his disposal to get Democrat governed areas back under lawful control.
I agree. He’s still respecting the principles of federalism even after all the death and destruction, which I applaud him for. Federal use should come only after the municipal and state governments have failed.
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Code of Federal Regulations, Title 36, Parks, Forests, and Public Property. President wasn’t even involved in this. AG Barr wanted time move the perimeter back in the morning after the vandalism of the church the night before. Protecting public property falls within the realm of the federal government. And the judicial precedent is set regardless of how it was set. For example Marbury v Madison established judicial review, but judicial review doesn’t just apply to court appointment processes.
The SCOTUS case you were citing doesn't seem applicable to the facts here because here there is no license or permit etc. required to be protesting. (at least not that I'm aware of) That's what I was talking about. I also said that POTUS doesn't have the authority to make the laws. Whether it was Trump or Barr isn't really that significant to what I was saying. (and really, it isn't knowable due to the adminstration's low credibility, esp. after the bullshit about the use of tear gas) They are both executive branch officials, and I was talking about the separation of powers.

There are 1,699 regulations in Title 36. https://gov.ecfr.io/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=1c9838ccc2469ef3bcdc74620bd59bed&mc=true&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title36/36tab_02.tpl There's no way to know which you are referring to.

The larger issue, which I wasn't even talking about, was whether or not the actions taken were legally and morally justified. Perhaps they were, if what Barr said on Face the Nation is true:

BARR: They were not peaceful protesters. And that's one of the big lies that the- the media is- seems to be perpetuating at this point.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Three of my CBS colleagues were there. We talked to them.

BARR: Yeah.

MARGARET BRENNAN: They did not hear warnings. They did not see protesters--

BARR: There were three warnings.

MARGARET BRENNAN:--throwing anything.

BARR: There were three warnings given. But let's get back to why we took that action. On Friday, Saturday and Sunday, OK, there were violent riots in- at Lafayette Park where the park police were under constant attack at the- behind their bike rack fences. On Sunday, things reached a crescendo. The officers were pummeled with bricks. Crowbars were used to pry up the pavers at the park and they were hurled at police. There were fires set in not only St. John's Church, but a historic building at Lafayette was burned down.

MARGARET BRENNAN: These were things that looters did.

BARR: Not looters, these were- these were the- the violent rioters who were- dominated Lafayette Park.

MARGARET BRENNAN: But what I'm asking about--

BARR: They broke into the Treasury Department,--

MARGARET BRENNAN: --on Monday when it was a peaceful protest.

BARR: I'm going to- let me get to this, because this has been totally obscured by the media. They broke into the Treasury Department, and they were injuring police.
But really, I don't believe him because I have seen no evidence to support what he is saying and I have seen evidence to suggest that what he is saying is false. His credibility is pretty low after the tear gas bullshit anyway.
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 My question was why? Why was the media all over the riots, but not peace. I looked to discover the answer from various sources. The answers is revenue. Revenue flows from the clicks, views, and likes
Yeah thats been the case ever since 24 hour news networks became a thing. 

Before that when news stations had 30 minutes tops to cover things, there would be maybe 3 stories tops that would get attention. They gave a general summary that was basic information about what happened, show some footage if they had it, moved on to the next story, commercials here and there, then the news is over..... Nowadays though with 24 hour news everything gets attention, and then everything gets sensationalized because that drives outrage/revenue/attention/more revenue, and regular facts get left behind. 

Ive constantly wondered how many problems would get solved if CNN, Fox, and MSNBC all just vanished at once..... At least 90% of the bullshit sensationalism would go with them, while the other 10% would be stuck on the internet where no major outlet has any outsized amount of clout or power over the medium... We also wouldnt have situations where only half the nation actually knows whats going on while the other half are being duped into believing things that arent happening at all, and we'd all roughly be on the same page which hasnt happened since at least 9/11
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I also liked that show a lot until it became 40% filler
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His credibility is pretty low after the tear gas bullshit anyway.

I'll believe Barr any day over MSM reporters getting paid 50,000 dollars a day to spin a profitable tale.