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@BearMan
what a ridiculous suggestion. A kill by town at night requires an extremely rare hand that's very unlikely given the flop.
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It is possible that vig happens given the flop, however it is not probable even now.
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@Bullish
Please explain what 'popular' means in the OP.
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@RationalMadman
It means that player requires 1 additional vote than normal to lynch the next DP.
Town, if you get the full house, claim that you got three of a kind and you copped someone who died that night. Alternatively pretend you have a guilty on someone (I don't care what you say about this strategy). Do not reveal you are popular until you have to. It is very important to both bait mafia into revealing themselves with who fast-hammers you if it's a Mylo/Lylo situation and furthermore important to use your luck in card for reaction testing.
If it's not easy for you to fake the second card of three-of-a-kind, feel free to fake a watcher report or anything. I am saying this now to set it as a norm and expected town behaviour, so that you are not scumread for correctly applying pressure and saying 'just kidding it was a reaction test' after. This is optimal and makes the mafia squirm more and slip more by what they retort you with.
what a ridiculous suggestion. A kill by town at night requires an extremely rare hand that's very unlikely given the flop.
Town players have more cards in play. It’s more likely that we get the NK than scum do.
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@BearMan
Well, then again, neither have you. In fact, I'm not shadowing, just choosing to believe something, and backing up with evidence. You on the other hand, back up with little to no evidence whatsoever. I have a theory. Assuming Crocodile is scum, with obvious scumtells, this leads me to believe that Speed is also scum. I haven't played with him a lot, but he posted much more in defending Crocodile than contributing to town. Most of what he posted was actually not very helpful, just interpreting what was said in the rules.Again, it is up to the NK'er to decide. If I'm the NK'er, then well I would kill off Crocodile. He wouldn't be much of a loss to town anyway.
I like this. It feels just like BM town last game.
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@PressF4Respect
Roles are determined by our hand. This is a semi-open setup. The town roles are listed, the scum roles are not. This means that scum is forced to fake claim one of the roles in the list, leaving them vulnerable to CC
Can you explain what you meant by this?
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@BearMan
There's no guarantee of the NK
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@Vader
There's no guarantee of the NK
Someone will die in the night. More likely than not at the hands of a townie.
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@RationalMadman
What?? Town who gets loved should IMMEDIATELY say that because we can test it and then confirm that they indeed did get loved, which then confirms them as town. Suggesting that town lies to town is inherently scummy
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@ILikePie5
Bullish has the possible town roles (determined by the FLOP plus the current cards we have) listed. Scum does not have any of them. Scum has a separate role set that isn’t on there. You can look at the cards in the flop and the cards in your PM (hand) and see which corresponding role you have on the list, depending on which result you have.
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@Vader
There's no guarantee of the NK
What? NK is guaranteed because the person who gets the NK is required to use it
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@Speedrace
What?? Town who gets loved should IMMEDIATELY say that because we can test it and then confirm that they indeed did get loved, which then confirms them as town. Suggesting that town lies to town is inherently scummy
No. Town who is popular can at any time at all out that and get it confirmed at any moment. It is fundamentally stupid to test it on lylo/mylo as you are basically handing the game to the mafia unless they get unlucky with the night role interactions after the mylo.
Even if testing it is safe and it's an early day in the game, it's still stupid to out that you're popular rathre than bait scum into hammering you and going 'gotcha' while instead you outed as cop and revealed SO MUCH from both the reaction the one you guiltied and others.
There is no bad thing with lynching, its just that the NK is required. Therefore, a townie will most likely kill a townie if we lynch Croc. That's why we need the NK'er to kill Croc.
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@ILikePie5
Town players have more cards in play. It’s more likely that we get the NK than scum do.
How do you know that? Their roles are secret, they probably need far less luck to get the NK ability:
Mafia roles are different and only known to the mafia.
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@RationalMadman
See Above.
Ilikepie just townslipped. He revealed that he thought mafia are gambling on the same role distribution as we have.
I townread him now.
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@BearMan
its just that the NK is required
we have no idea what the mafia's roles per hand are. They likely have more powers than us for less luck to even out the unfairness on them in the game with how overpowered the town can be.
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@PressF4Respect
I specifically meant the last part. The CC part. What does that mean.
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@RationalMadman
Even if testing it is safe and it's an early day in the game, it's still stupid to out that you're popular rathre than bait scum into hammering you and going 'gotcha' while instead you outed as cop and revealed SO MUCH from both the reaction the one you guiltied and others.
That makes no sense. The person who hammers you could just as easily be town as it could be scum, in fact it's MORE likely that it's town.
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@ILikePie5
Probably, but not a guaranteed NK
How do you know that? Their roles are secret, they probably need far less luck to get the NK ability:
No they don’t. The NK is given to the best overall hand which town is more likely to have because they outnumber them 4-1
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@Speedrace
No it isn't. Someone going for a quick hammer in a game where mafia is this terrified of being NK'd let alone lynched is more likley to be scum (and it doesn't matter if the hammer is towntelling, you can read into the others who sheeped it).
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@RationalMadman
@ILikePie5
No, Pie is right. The list of roles that scum has has no bearing on who gets the NK. Everyone gets an equally random hand, and whoever has the highest hand wins. The roles scum has doesn't increase their chance of getting the highest hand, and therefore the NK
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@ILikePie5
You don't get it. We have no idea what their roles are, they probably get NK for two pair only, for instance and the superpowers for more luck are likely to be defensive in some way (such as appearing innocent on reports vs what miller can do).
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@Vader
No there will be an NK tonight by town or by mafia. More likely by town than mafia.
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@Speedrace
The OP never ever says that the NK for the highest hand is solely the only NK mechanism.
No it isn't. Someone going for a quick hammer in a game where mafia is this terrified of being NK'd let alone lynched is more likley to be scum (and it doesn't matter if the hammer is towntelling, you can read into the others who sheeped it).
Lol, you saying this will ENSURE that scum DOESN'T quick hammer, they'll let a noob do it and that noob will get lynched.
Besides all that, how is a popular townie supposed to get themselves lynched?
When I made that post, I thought that the roles that each person got in the night were unique (that only one person could be in each role). Then Bullish said that more than one person could have the same role, and I scrapped the popcorn idea altogether