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    the cases are risisng  because of the hot temperatures and people need to be inside to avoid the sweltering heat being more susceptible to it.

    that is the true reason why, nothing trump did affected it

    why do you think it is now hitting South America,middle east,africa,and southern europe now, all hot places where people need to be inside while other countries liek the rest of europe not so much

    SPAIN has seen an increase recently, name any country and its easy to prove it with this general rule

    its not political


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    states that are republican/swing do really well becaue of the temperature factor(new hampshire, pennsylvania,ohio) etc
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    the cases are risisng  because of the hot temperatures and people need to be inside to avoid the sweltering heat being more susceptible to it.
    that is the exact opposite of what would happen. If everyone stayed inside then cases would fall. The problem is that they aren't staying inside. They are going out and not taking basic precautions. And to make matters worse, they are being egged on to do this by people like trump who want to make basic safety precautions (like wearing a mask) into a culture war political issue. 

    why do you think it is now hitting South America,middle east,africa,and southern europe now, all hot places where people need to be inside while other countries liek the rest of europe not so much
    no, it's more about timing and successful control of the virus. Europe got hit earlier by the virus. They then took significant steps to get the virus under control and have had some success. South american countries and the US refused to take the steps necessary to combat the virus and are now raging out of control. 

    its not political
    it shouldn't be, but the republicans have made it so. They fought hard to make safety a culture war issue. They thought they could score cheap political points by pretending they were fighting for "freedom" by refusing to enact basic safety rules. But now it is biting them in the ass really hard as cases spike in republican controlled areas while new york has sort of gotten control of the outbreak. Trump now looks like an idiot and is having to back track on masks, as seen by his statement recently saying he has no problem with wearing masks when last week he was outspokenly against it and refused to wear one in public. 
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    oh, i forgot to add their attacks on schools. This week they are out threatening schools that if they don't reopen, the government will cut their funding. But at the same time the government is doing absolutely nothing to help or even provide safety guidelines for those schools to prevent a massive outbreak. 

    Add to that the report that the trump government is suppressing a report by the CDC warning against reopening schools without taking more steps to increase safety, they look even more like assholes. Basically, they are doing nothing to protect children (or the staff of these schools), but threatening them to force them to reopen even though the CDC is telling them it isn't safe. 
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    that is the exact opposite of what would happen. If everyone stayed inside then cases would fall. The problem is that they aren't staying inside. They are going out and not taking basic precautions. And to make matters worse, they are being egged on to do this by people like trump who want to make basic safety precautions (like wearing a mask) into a culture war political issue. 
    no, if your outside you are less succpetable to the virus but if you were inside with people, you would be!

    no, it's more about timing and successful control of the virus. Europe got hit earlier by the virus. They then took significant steps to get the virus under control and have had some success. South american countries and the US refused to take the steps necessary to combat the virus and are now raging out of control. 
    nope, Iran was hit hard early and still cant recover due to the temperature effect, only italy was hit early on due to their culture of kissing and hugging when they see eachother, smae with spain who is now seeing a rise in cases

    t shouldn't be, but the republicans have made it so. They fought hard to make safety a culture war issue. They thought they could score cheap political points by pretending they were fighting for "freedom" by refusing to enact basic safety rules. But now it is biting them in the ass really hard as cases spike in republican controlled areas while new york has sort of gotten control of the outbreak. Trump now looks like an idiot and is having to back track on masks, as seen by his statement recently saying he has no problem with wearing masks when last week he was outspokenly against it and refused to wear one in public. 
    republicans are making it political? after all the media panic, after all of what cuomo did-banning hydroxoclorquine, bashing trump and YOU ARE GOING TO SIT HERE AND SAY REPUBLICANS MADE IT POLITICAL, ARE YOU JOKING!!

    no new york hasnt gotten it under control, it hasnt improved in 2 months after the initial wave- same with illinois,massachusetts and many other states did get it under control without lockdown and espeically true for japan


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    the dems are the ones attacking schools

    denmark required no masks and desks spread out, SINCE MAY and has seen great results

    no one is attacking children(except when its  nick sandman) or teachers

    lockdowns of people cost a LOT, in poor countries, it will cause a famine and a lot worse
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    the dems are the ones attacking schools
    how is that exactly? Are the dems threatening schools to unsafely re-open or having their funding cut?

    denmark required no masks and desks spread out, SINCE MAY and has seen great results
    denmark was one of the 1st European countries to enter lockdown. They took early and significant steps to fight the spread. Their population actually listened to guidelines about social distancing. When they returned to school, there were government guidelines on how to do it safely (staying spread out etc). 

    None of that applies to the US. The US was slow to lockdown. People are not listening to safety guidelines and social distancing. The federal government is issuing no safety guidelines for schools, let alone providing any kind of funding, lowering class sizes, etc. 

    no one is attacking children(except when its  nick sandman) or teachers
    forcing them into a dangerous situation under threats while offering no assistance whatsoever to keep them safe is absolutely attacking children and teachers. 
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    It is political. Most of the spikes are probably due to riots and "pRoTeStS"
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    how is that exactly? Are the dems threatening schools to unsafely re-open or having their funding cut?
    they want to not reopoen hindering kids abilites

    denmark was one of the 1st European countries to enter lockdown. They took early and significant steps to fight the spread. Their population actually listened to guidelines about social distancing. When they returned to school, there were government guidelines on how to do it safely (staying spread out etc). 

    None of that applies to the US. The US was slow to lockdown. People are not listening to safety guidelines and social distancing. The federal government is issuing no safety guidelines for schools, let alone providing any kind of funding, lowering class sizes, etc. 

    again denmark didnt make serious cuts to their school reopening, only spreading out deksks and no cases have sprung up from it

    people do listen to guidelines, i have seen it myself, the factor is AC and being indoors

    forcing them into a dangerous situation under threats while offering no assistance whatsoever to keep them safe is absolutely attacking children and teachers. 
    no one is saying to do that, NO ONE
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    maybe, same thing happened in spain with the womens march

    i am referring more to policy decisions though but good point!
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    no, if your outside you are less succpetable to the virus but if you were inside with people, you would be!
    you're not getting how social distancing works. The point is to stay inside as much as possible and interact with as few people as possible. Going outside where you will likely interact with more people in a pattern that is not predictable is what spreads the virus. 

    nope, Iran was hit hard early and still cant recover due to the temperature effect, only italy was hit early on due to their culture of kissing and hugging when they see eachother, smae with spain who is now seeing a rise in cases
    Iran isn't known for easily spreading info, so it's hard to tell exactly why they couldn't control it. Italy got hit hard and they were slow to respond, so it got out of control. Their cultural habits also made it worse. 

    Spain ignored the outbreak and refused to take steps to fight it. I can find a source for you if you like, but there was a case where they had a press conference telling everyone that everything was fine, there was no corona virus issue. But one of the guys making the announcement is sweating and coughing through it. Like 2 days later he was diagnosed with corona virus. It takes balls to tell everyone there is no outbreak, while you yourself have it. 

    after all the media panic
    130,000 people are dead and the count is still climbing. This has killed double the casualties of the Vietnam war in a matter of months. Why would you think panic is not justified?

    after all of what cuomo did-banning hydroxoclorquine,
    it has been proved to be ineffective against Carolina virus and can have life threatening side effects. Its the assholes telling people to take it that are the problem. 

    bashing trump and YOU ARE GOING TO SIT HERE AND SAY REPUBLICANS MADE IT POLITICAL, ARE YOU JOKING!!
    trump refused to take safety precautions. He told other people not to. He is pushing states to re-open even as the virus is spiking. He is ordering schools to re-open under threat even though the CDC is telling him it isn't safe. Yes, trump made it political. 


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    you're not getting how social distancing works. The point is to stay inside as much as possible and interact with as few people as possible. Going outside where you will likely interact with more people in a pattern that is not predictable is what spreads the virus. 
    thats not the point- your not staying in your HOUSE

    Iran isn't known for easily spreading info, so it's hard to tell exactly why they couldn't control it. Italy got hit hard and they were slow to respond, so it got out of control. Their cultural habits also made it worse. 

    Spain ignored the outbreak and refused to take steps to fight it. I can find a source for you if you like, but there was a case where they had a press conference telling everyone that everything was fine, there was no corona virus issue. But one of the guys making the announcement is sweating and coughing through it. Like 2 days later he was diagnosed with corona virus. It takes balls to tell everyone there is no outbreak, while you yourself have it. 
    spain ignored it because of the womens march LOL!!!

    130,000 people are dead and the count is still climbing. This has killed double the casualties of the Vietnam war in a matter of months. Why would you think panic is not justified?

    how does panic help? when your solving something, do you panic??


     has been proved to be ineffective against Carolina virus and can have life threatening side effects. Its the assholes telling people to take it that are the problem. 

    STUDY:Early Hydroxychloroquine Is Associated with an Increase of Survival in COVID-19 Patients: An Observational Study

    trump refused to take safety precautions. He told other people not to. He is pushing states to re-open even as the virus is spiking. He is ordering schools to re-open under threat even though the CDC is telling him it isn't safe. Yes, trump made it political. 
    the CDC once recommenced you to not wear masks in march...

    he told people to be careful about the virus
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    they want to not reopoen hindering kids abilites
    so they want to protect children and teachers from becoming seriously ill or dead. Oh my god, those monsters....

    again denmark didnt make serious cuts to their school reopening, only spreading out deksks and no cases have sprung up from it
    they made serious changes to their schools to keep children apart so the virus couldn't spread. The US isn't talking about doing anything like that. The order is "re-open NOW". When asked what safety precautions they should take, the government doesn't give a shit. They aren't going to provide any assistance at all. 

    people do listen to guidelines, i have seen it myself, the factor is AC and being indoors
    no, it isn't. The factor is idiots cramming onto beaches, and into bars, and going to parties. People ignoring the basic safety precautions are causing the virus to spread out of control. 

    forcing them into a dangerous situation under threats while offering no assistance whatsoever to keep them safe is absolutely attacking children and teachers. 
    no one is saying to do that, NO ONE
    Clearly you haven't been listening to betsy devos. That is exactly what she has been saying. She is ordering schools to reopen under threat of having their funding cut. She is offering no assistance at all to schools. No funding for safety upgrades or protective equipment, not even suggested safety standards for how to safely reopen. Just a blanket order to re-open or else. 
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    so they want to protect children and teachers from becoming seriously ill or dead. Oh my god, those monsters....
    nope, they want to kids education ruined even though denmark and UK ahve been succesful with schoool reopenings

    hey made serious changes to their schools to keep children apart so the virus couldn't spread. The US isn't talking about doing anything like that. The order is "re-open NOW". When asked what safety precautions they should take, the government doesn't give a shit. They aren't going to provide any assistance at all. 
    no they didnt make any changes, no masks, nothing just spread out desks

    the us IS DOING THAT

    no, it isn't. The factor is idiots cramming onto beaches, and into bars, and going to parties. People ignoring the basic safety precautions are causing the virus to spread out of control. 
    like the protests?

    and no, they arent ignoring safety precautions, plus herd immunity is why new york is staying the same with number of cases

    Clearly you haven't been listening to betsy devos. That is exactly what she has been saying. She is ordering schools to reopen under threat of having their funding cut. She is offering no assistance at all to schools. No funding for safety upgrades or protective equipment, not even suggested safety standards for how to safely reopen. Just a blanket order to re-open or else. 
    nope, all false!
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    --> @Dr.Franklin
    you're not getting how social distancing works. The point is to stay inside as much as possible and interact with as few people as possible. Going outside where you will likely interact with more people in a pattern that is not predictable is what spreads the virus. 
    thats not the point- your not staying in your HOUSE
    yes it is. The point is to keep people from interacting with other people as much as possible. And when you do have to interact with people, to keep it in a bubble. IE you need to see your family every day, but you should prevent others from entering your home, or you going into other people's homes. 

    spain ignored it because of the womens march LOL!!!
    yep. the government refused to take the virus seriously until it was already out of control. just like trump. He still isn't taking it seriously. At least the spanish realized their mistake. 

    how does panic help? when your solving something, do you panic??
    A healthy level of fear is a good thing. It allows you to take actions to mitigate the risk and protect yourself. Instead trump went with lying to everyone, undermining efforts to mitigate the spread of the virus, and now ordering people to go out and spread it under threat. 

    the CDC once recommenced you to not wear masks in march...
    true, they were afraid there would be a rush on masks and then there wouldn't be enough for medical staff. The lie was stupid, but they thought they were doing what was needed to prevent the crisis getting worse. 

    he told people to be careful about the virus
    he also told them not to wear masks, to reopen their economy as soon as possible, to force teachers back to school without safety precautions etc. Saying one thing, then saying the exact opposite over and over and over does not mean you took the issue seriously. 
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    yes it is. The point is to keep people from interacting with other people as much as possible. And when you do have to interact with people, to keep it in a bubble. IE you need to see your family every day, but you should prevent others from entering your home, or you going into other people's homes. 

    everybody in the country is reopened now, but some states have rises and others dont- that claim makes no sense

    business down south is done INSIDE

    yep. the government refused to take the virus seriously until it was already out of control. just like trump. He still isn't taking it seriously. At least the spanish realized their mistake. 
    nope, trump took it seriously but others chose to force covid patients back into nursing homes like in democratic states

    A healthy level of fear is a good thing. It allows you to take actions to mitigate the risk and protect yourself. Instead trump went with lying to everyone, undermining efforts to mitigate the spread of the virus, and now ordering people to go out and spread it under threat. 
    there is no "healthy level of fear", you dont want to fear, PERIOD

    true, they were afraid there would be a rush on masks and then there wouldn't be enough for medical staff. The lie was stupid, but they thought they were doing what was needed to prevent the crisis getting worse. 

    why should we trust them then?

    he also told them not to wear masks, to reopen their economy as soon as possible, to force teachers back to school without safety precautions etc. Saying one thing, then saying the exact opposite over and over and over does not mean you took the issue seriously. 

    strawman, he said none of those things
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    nope, they want to kids education ruined even though denmark and UK ahve been succesful with schoool reopenings
    Denmark had it's people listen to safety rules. The US has millions of people refusing to follow safety rules. The 2 situations are very different. 

    no they didnt make any changes, no masks, nothing just spread out desks

    the us IS DOING THAT
    that would be a lie. Denmark took lots of precautions. Here is an article about it. It includes:
    - installing new sinks
    - changing faucets to be hands free
    - hiring more cleaners to regularly clean bathrooms and all points of contact (door handles etc)
    - guidelines that make children wash their hands every 2 hours
    - changing class schedules to keep class sizes smaller and more spread out
    - when playing outside children had to stay in the same group (children weren't allowed to switch groups to keep the virus from jumping
    - any toys that couldn't be easily cleaned were put away

    So you see, they didn't just re-open their schools. They fundamentally changed how their classes and student interacted and put more resources in place to prevent the spread. Trump and DeVos aren't talking about doing anything like that. They just want to re-open now and damn the consequences. 
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    Denmark had it's people listen to safety rules. The US has millions of people refusing to follow safety rules. The 2 situations are very different. 
    nope, its because of temperature increases



    its why californa despite having a lockdown and seeing an increase!!

    that would be a lie. Denmark took lots of precautions. Here is an article about it. It includes:
    - installing new sinks
    - changing faucets to be hands free
    - hiring more cleaners to regularly clean bathrooms and all points of contact (door handles etc)
    - guidelines that make children wash their hands every 2 hours
    - changing class schedules to keep class sizes smaller and more spread out
    - when playing outside children had to stay in the same group (children weren't allowed to switch groups to keep the virus from jumping
    - any toys that couldn't be easily cleaned were put away

    So you see, they didn't just re-open their schools. They fundamentally changed how their classes and student interacted and put more resources in place to prevent the spread. Trump and DeVos aren't talking about doing anything like that. They just want to re-open now and damn the consequences. 
    those may seem like a lot but really arent

    the cdc required masks and a lot more and and are now saying to REFUSE opening schools!
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    nope, its because of temperature increases
    ok, you keep repeating this but have offered no evidence whatsoever to back this up. Either provide evidence or stop saying it. 

    those may seem like a lot but really arent
    if they aren't much, then there should be no issue with the US government ordering that all these steps be taken. But they aren't going to do that because they don't give a shit and don't take it seriously. 

    the cdc required masks and a lot more and and are now saying to REFUSE opening schools!
    because reopening schools without taking proper safety precautions is going to cause another surge in cases and put lots of people at risk. If trump wants to order similar safety procedures as Denmark, then maybe it could be done safely. But they aren't doing that. They are just threatening them to re-open or else. 
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    ok, you keep repeating this but have offered no evidence whatsoever to back this up. Either provide evidence or stop saying it. 

    if they aren't much, then there should be no issue with the US government ordering that all these steps be taken. But they aren't going to do that because they don't give a shit and don't take it seriously. 
    they did....

    because reopening schools without taking proper safety precautions is going to cause another surge in cases and put lots of people at risk. If trump wants to order similar safety procedures as Denmark, then maybe it could be done safely. But they aren't doing that. They are just threatening them to re-open or else. 
    wrong, he offered a safe solution
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    its why californa despite having a lockdown and seeing an increase!!
    Those photos are literally nothing. The south is hot. The south has lots of corona virus cases. You have not provided 1 shred of evidence that those 2 things are related. 

    if they aren't much, then there should be no issue with the US government ordering that all these steps be taken. But they aren't going to do that because they don't give a shit and don't take it seriously. 
    they did....
    please provide a source proving the Trump government has mandated safety guidelines for schools before they re-open

    wrong, he offered a safe solution
    what is that? Please provide sources to what the trump government has offered as a "safe solution"

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    Those photos are literally nothing. The south is hot. The south has lots of corona virus cases. You have not provided 1 shred of evidence that those 2 things are related. 
    nope, they are IDENTICAL

    please provide a source proving the Trump government has mandated safety guidelines for schools before they re-open
    its obvious

    please provide a source proving the Trump government has mandated safety guidelines for schools before they re-open
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    nope, they are IDENTICAL
    so your answer is that you cannot provide any evidence at all that corona virus spread is linked to temperature? If that is the case, please just say so. If you think they are related, provide evidence. Don't just keep repeating yourself. 


    please provide a source proving the Trump government has mandated safety guidelines for schools before they re-open
    its obvious
    how so? I have not heard of any safety guidelines imposed by the trump government. How can it be obvious? Please tell me precisely what the trump government is doing to keep students and teachers safe. 

    I skimmed your source. there is nothing concrete in there that I see. I don't see anything stating what resources they are going to give schools. I see nothing about mandated rules for re-opening, just some vague references to some guidelines from the CDC. 

    So tell me, what exactly is the trump government doing to keep students and teachers safe. So far all I see is vague comments about resources and maybe some guidelines. I don't see anything concrete. 
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    so your answer is that you cannot provide any evidence at all that corona virus spread is linked to temperature? If that is the case, please just say so. If you think they are related, provide evidence. Don't just keep repeating yourself. 
    i did provide evidence

    how so? I have not heard of any safety guidelines imposed by the trump government. How can it be obvious? Please tell me precisely what the trump government is doing to keep students and teachers safe. 
    well look harder

    I skimmed your source. there is nothing concrete in there that I see. I don't see anything stating what resources they are going to give schools. I see nothing about mandated rules for re-opening, just some vague references to some guidelines from the CDC. 

    So tell me, what exactly is the trump government doing to keep students and teachers safe. So far all I see is vague comments about resources and maybe some guidelines. I don't see anything concrete. 
    nope, they were rules
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    i did provide evidence
    lol, the fact that you think that is sad. You provide unrelated photos and claimed that it was evidence. I could get a photo of trump with his face looking orange, then a clown with his face looking orange. Does this prove that trump is a doing children's shows? 

    Provide actual evidence that there is a link between the two things or stop repeating lies. 

    nope, they were rules
    I don't see that anywhere in your source. Please show me exactly what rules the trump government has put in place to keep children safe. I assume you will refuse to do so since they have done nothing like that, but you are unwilling to consciously accept that.