Trump thinks it is illegal for people to say bad things about him

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You disagree with me on this? Twitter should allow obscene content but not political speech?
Twitter has a right to make whatever rules for posting content they want. You do not have a right to control what rules they make. If you don't like their rules, use a different platform. 

It’s not a platform if they’re allowing whats posted and what’s not lol.
they set rules for what is and is not permissible on their platform. If you break those rules they can ban you. That is what a platform is. 

 That’s exactly what CNN does.
no, CNN is paying people to write and create content which they then spread. they are liable for that content because they are creating it. 

No it’s doesn’t lol. You sue CNN not the writer lol. Why the hell do you think Nick Sandmann sued CNN and Washington Post and won lol.
You are missing the critical difference. CNN either directly pays people to create the content, or they go out looking for the content they want and publish it. They are therefore liable for that content because they are choosing it. 

Twitter is not creating content. They are not paying people to write specific content. They are the platform. That platform has rules to post in it. As long as you obey those rules you can post anything you want. Therefore Twitter is not the content creator, they are just a platform. 

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Twitter has a right to make whatever rules for posting content they want. You do not have a right to control what rules they make. If you don't like their rules, use a different platform. 
Then I should be able to sue them.

they set rules for what is and is not permissible on their platform. If you break those rules they can ban you. That is what a platform is. 
Then they should be able to be sued.

no, CNN is paying people to write and create content which they then spread. they are liable for that content because they are creating it.
Op-Ed writers generally aren’t paid but their content is still published with approval from CNN. So no.

You are missing the critical difference. CNN either directly pays people to create the content, or they go out looking for the content they want and publish it. They are therefore liable for that content because they are choosing it.
And the content they don’t like they don’t allow.

Twitter is not creating content. They are not paying people to write specific content. They are the platform. That platform has rules to post in it. As long as you obey those rules you can post anything you want. Therefore Twitter is not the content creator, they are just a platform.
You don’t have to pay someone to be a content creator lol. They are actively suppressing content which should open the grounds for lawsuit. Platforms are given legal immunity in return for regulation of obscene content and no censorship of political speech. You can’t be censoring political speech and be immune from lawsuit.
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Then I should be able to sue them.
why? you sue people for the things they say. Twitter isn't saying it. They are simply filtering out things that break the rules. That is not the same thing as creating content. 

Op-Ed writers generally aren’t paid but their content is still published with approval from CNN. So no.
True, but CNN seeks out those op-eds. Twitter doesn't seek out any content creation. They simply allow things to be posted that don't violate the rules.

And the content they don’t like they don’t allow.
the content they don't allow has broken their rules and therefore can't be posted on their platform. Those people are free to post it on another platform that is willing to let them post it. 

You don’t have to pay someone to be a content creator lol. 
no, you have to actually create content. Which twitter doesn't do. I don't know why this is difficult for you. 

 They are actively suppressing content which should open the grounds for lawsuit.
you have yet to provide a single argument why that is true. They can't be sued for libel because they aren't creating content. So what grounds would you sue them for?

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why? you sue people for the things they say. Twitter isn't saying it. They are simply filtering out things that break the rules. That is not the same thing as creating content. 
You’re saying they’re just like any ordinary company, so they should be open to lawsuit. Unless you consider them special. If I post an Op-Ed on CNN, I can be sued for libel. If I post the exact same thing as a Twitter post I can’t. Does this seem fair to you? CNN is also a private company and they’re liable.

True, but CNN seeks out those op-eds. Twitter doesn't seek out any content creation. They simply allow things to be posted that don't violate the rules.
Not necessarily lol. Anyone can post an Op-Ed with approval from CNN. Can anyone post an Op-Ed on Twitter without fear of it being removed? The same Op-Ed can be sued if on CNN but not Twitter, why?

the content they don't allow has broken their rules and therefore can't be posted on their platform. Those people are free to post it on another platform that is willing to let them post it.
What if I don’t think it broke the rules? I should be able to sue them right? But I can’t. Why do you want Big Tech rich companies from being immune from lawsuits?

no, you have to actually create content. Which twitter doesn't do. I don't know why this is difficult for you. 
CNN doesn’t create content. Writers do. CNN regulates whats published. Twitter does the same thing. It’s really not difficult if you weren’t a supporter of banning speech that you oppose.

you have yet to provide a single argument why that is true. They can't be sued for libel because they aren't creating content. So what grounds would you sue them for?
You seem to support the rich big tech billionaires who censor speech. In what world do you think this is good if they don’t even bother banning porn. Which is worse. Porn or Political Speech?
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You’re saying they’re just like any ordinary company, so they should be open to lawsuit. 
of course they can be sued. But only for things that they say. They cannot be sued for things other people say. 

 If I post an Op-Ed on CNN, I can be sued for libel. If I post the exact same thing as a Twitter post I can’t. 
Unless I am mistaken, you can be sued for libel for things you post on twitter. Twitter cannot be sued for things you post on twitter. 

Not necessarily lol. Anyone can post an Op-Ed with approval from CNN. 
That is the critical point though. CNN has someone read what you wrote and approve it for publication. They are therefore choosing to publish that. No one at twitter is reading things people write before they write them. There is no review process to ensure things are ok. 

What if I don’t think it broke the rules? I should be able to sue them right? But I can’t.
Why? Their rules are posted on the website, if you can't adhere to them then you can't post on their site. You can't sue people because you don't like their rules. 

CNN doesn’t create content. Writers do. CNN regulates whats published.
lol you don't think CNN pays people to create content? Seriously?

Twitter does the same thing.
no they don't. They create a platform that anyone can post on with no one reviewing it. If it is found to break their rules, they will take it down. That is very different. 

You seem to support the rich big tech billionaires who censor speech. In what world do you think this is good if they don’t even bother banning porn. Which is worse. Porn or Political Speech?
I don't support there being porn on twitter. But I would still argue porn is less damaging. Porn isn't really going to hurt anyone. It might offend people, but it isn't going to hurt them. Lots of people get hurt by spreading misinformation. Lots of people die. 

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of course they can be sued. But only for things that they say. They cannot be sued for things other people say. 
No they can’t. Either way I’m surprised you’re siding with rich billionaires in this matter. No worries, I know Joe has a lot of support from Silicon Valley.
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No they can’t. Either way I’m surprised you’re siding with rich billionaires in this matter. No worries, I know Joe has a lot of support from Silicon Valley.
weirdly I'm taking the position that republicans would usually claim they support. That a business has the right to do business how they want. It's their software, they can make the rules to use it as they see fit. Republicans pretend like they believe in stuff like that, but you're all massive hypocrites who will turn on your "principles" as soon as they become inconvenient. 

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weirdly I'm taking the position that republicans would usually claim they support. That a business has the right to do business how they want. It's their software, they can make the rules to use it as they see fit. Republicans pretend like they believe in stuff like that, but you're all massive hypocrites who will turn on your "principles" as soon as they become inconvenient. 
Republicans don’t believe companies should be immune from lawsuit. You do. 
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Republicans don’t believe companies should be immune from lawsuit. You do. 
I don't think companies should be immune from lawsuit. I have never said that. I said you can't sue a company for libel when they aren't creating the content. It's really very simple. 

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I don't think companies should be immune from lawsuit. I have never said that. I said you can't sue a company for libel when they aren't creating the content. It's really very simple. 
You can’t sue them for that cause it’s the law lmao. You’re pro-actively supporting a law that prevents people from suing companies which empowers the company and prevents accountability. Unfortunate.
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You can’t sue them for that cause it’s the law lmao. You’re pro-actively supporting a law that prevents people from suing companies which empowers the company and prevents accountability. Unfortunate.
lol you want them to be legally liable for things they didn't say or write. That makes no sense. 

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lol you want them to be legally liable for things they didn't say or write. That makes no sense. 
No I’m suing them for equal protection In holding banning people like the Ayatollah who chants deaths to America and Israel
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No I’m suing them for equal protection In holding banning people like the Ayatollah who chants deaths to America and Israel
basically your argument breaks down to: you want to sue them for daring to have rules on their platform. You don't think that people spreading obvious lies that are killing people should have to have any consequences for them doing so. That is a problem. That is how you get millions of people who think vaccines cause autism, when it has been proven over and over and over that they don't. That is how you get people buying up all the supply of hydroxychloroquine (a drug that people with lupus actually need) when it has been proven to not be effective against coronavirus.

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Am I wrong in saying that the First Amendment regulates govt. actions and nothing else? Genuine question.
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basically your argument breaks down to: you want to sue them for daring to have rules on their platform. You don't think that people spreading obvious lies that are killing people should have to have any consequences for them doing so. 
If the rules are arbitrary enforced and are biased then yes I should have the right to sue. And no, lying is protected speech. I can lie about whatever I want. But I won’t get banned cause it’s an arbitrary system of enforcement (cherry-picking).

That is how you get people buying up all the supply of hydroxychloroquine (a drug that people with lupus actually need) when it has been proven to not be effective against coronavirus.

If my doctor tells me to take it, I will
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You are correct. As I said before, twitter is totally free to censor what they want, but then the 230 protections should not apply.

There are legitamate lawsuits waiting to get relief from the libel being promoted on those platforms.

Nick Sandman should have an opportunity to address his greivances in a court of law if you believe in social justice.
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Am I wrong in saying that the First Amendment regulates govt. actions and nothing else? Genuine question.
Ehhh yes and no. It runs depends
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I do care about free speech. But I also care that we try to control obscene or misleading content.
“You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.” -Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride.

just thought I'd step in an poke at the hornets nest

I'm here to kick ass and chew bubblegum and I'm all out of bubblegum-  They Live

Let's correct that quote shall we,  I do care about free speech so long as I agree/approve of it.  otherwise I consider it obscene and misleading and should be censored.

man I got a good laugh at that.
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If the rules are arbitrary enforced and are biased then yes I should have the right to sue.
Why? no one is forcing you to use their software. You can use any software you like. 

And no, lying is protected speech. I can lie about whatever I want.
in public? absolutely. In a private software, absolutely not. You have to obey the rules they set. If you can't do that, use another software. 


If my doctor tells me to take it, I will
lol why do all right wing people suck at reading their own sources. This is from the article you just linked. They say people who are not hospitalized and part of a study should not take it. 

“Currently, the drug should be used only in hospitalized patients with appropriate monitoring, and as part of study protocols, in accordance with all relevant federal regulations,” Dr. Zervos said.
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Let's correct that quote shall we,  I do care about free speech so long as I agree/approve of it.  otherwise I consider it obscene and misleading and should be censored.
you are confusing 2 very different things. Freedom of speech in a public venue, vs the speech in a privately owned application. You have the right to say (mostly) whatever you want in public. You want to scream lies on the street corner, you have at it. However you do not have the right to say whatever you want in a private setting. Twitter is a company that created an app. They have a right to set the rules for usage of that app. If you violate their rules for usage, they have the right to ban you from their app. 

I believe people have freedom of speech. However I also believe that people who make their own software have a right to control who can and cannot access and use it. 

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you are confusing 2 very different things. Freedom of speech in a public venue, vs the speech in a privately owned application. 
LOL not at all, I'm just going by what was actually said that you selectively deleted (see quote below)

But I also care that we try to control obscene or misleading content.
which exactly fits what i said,  " I do care about free speech so long as I agree/approve of it.  otherwise I consider it obscene and misleading and should be censored."

freedom of speech
“You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.” -Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride.

Here let me explain how that would read if it was truly about caring for free speech

I do care about free speech, even if I consider it obscene and misleading.

there is NO qualified free speech.  Canadians try to play that game and have fooled most and themselves in believing they have free speech, but they do not.

now if you are doing a 180 and saying private entities can make their own rules, that is generally true, but then they should fall under the same rules and regulations are news media.



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It’s funny, when a private entity censors Republicans but not Democrats it’s totally ok. Talk about “enforcing” the rules for some but not for other.
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there is NO qualified free speech. 
of course there is. You yourself confirmed obscene speech is not protected. There is lots of speech that isn't protected. You can be sued for slander. You can arrested be if you lie about services you will provide. You can be arrested if you say that you are going to harm someone. So speech is free, except when we, as a society, decide it isn't. It has always been that way. Pretending otherwise is childish. There is no such thing as completely free speech. 

now if you are doing a 180 and saying private entities can make their own rules, that is generally true, but then they should fall under the same rules and regulations are news media.
why? News media creates content. They are therefore liable for the things said in the content they created. Twitter and facebook do not make content. So there is no reason why we would treat them as the same, because they aren't. 
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It's the editors and publishers that get ultimately sued, not the content creators.
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There is no such thing as completely free speech. 
never said there was, nor did I ever say there weren't limits because lying is only illegal if it conflicts with someone else rights by falsely taking advantage of them.  All call to action/threat is not considered free speech.  This has been gone over many times at great length.

you really should just give up here, you were not talking about business rights, your exact words were

But I also care that we try to control obscene or misleading content.
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I have never said i am fine with obscene content. Why would you think that?
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no i don;t. I don't want anyone to be banned for their political opinion. I do believe people should be banned for intentionally spreading lies and misinformation. 
those are not consistent with the statement 

I do care about free speech. 
“You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.” -Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride.






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It’s funny, when a private entity censors Republicans but not Democrats it’s totally ok. Talk about “enforcing” the rules for some but not for other.

Literally CNN. Oh wait...

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Katie Pavlich is hot af
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She probably doesn't get soy boys.
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She probably doesn't get soy boys.
Fax bruh
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It's the editors and publishers that get ultimately sued, not the content creators.
uh huh. And since twitter isn't editing them, obviously this does not apply to them.