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@Lunatic

Because I had a feeling your scum buddy was gonna try to drive the train away from you and focus on someone else. Furthermore, I think this is a gambit that you are doing to prevent yourself from getting lynched, playing the "third party" role. I have a hard time believing that was your motivation. I think you did that to prey on a noob. With GP, you were much more subtle and outted yourself in general

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Lunatic literally has no utility to town besides his "support." You don't even know if he's lying.

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@Vader

Because I had a feeling your scum buddy was gonna try to drive the train away from you and focus on someone else. Furthermore, I think this is a gambit that you are doing to prevent yourself from getting lynched, playing the "third party" role. I have a hard time believing that was your motivation.

lol k detective supa

I think you did that to prey on a noob. With GP, you were much more subtle and outted yourself in general

I was way less subtle with GP are you kidding me? I claimed day role cop, which is way less likely than a DP1 CC lol.

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@Lunatic

I'm willing to now as well. I got nothing better to do

Well, obviously if there is no better target we are going to lynch you but I am willing to accept this for now. Let's wait for the rest of town to get on and give their opinions.

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@Discipulus_Didicit

Fair enough.

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@Lunatic

You got away with with because you preyed on a noob. Croc is inexperienced at mafia and you could do that easily and be believed because you are also surrounded by 3 noob players and an AFK. I don't like that one bit

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Anyone find yesterdays wagon interesting, considering half the people on crocs wagon figured I was up to something yet still voted croc?

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@Vader

Lunatic literally has no utility to town besides his "support." You don't even know if he's lying.

He is our default lynch for sure.

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@Vader

You got away with with because you preyed on a noob. Croc is inexperienced at mafia and you could do that easily and be believed because you are also surrounded by 3 noob players and an AFK. I don't like that one bit

It's not my fault warren made a noob one of my two lynch targets. He shouldn't have claimed so early. You don't have to like it and I don't have to care.

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@Discipulus_Didicit

Seriously? Ignoring a cop guilty and a false CC over one time where Lunatic failed at his goal and said he'll help now. He failed that time. He's saying he won and he wants to be kept alive to help? And you don't sus that at all? WTF

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@Lunatic

I still think your bullshitting this entire thing. It just seems to convenient IMO, I know ur scum and I want to hunt down other mafia

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@Vader

relax supa. He said I was the default lynch what are you talking about? And stop pretending like you actually did anything useful with your cop result haha

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I still think your bullshitting this entire thing. It just seems to convenient IMO, I know ur scum and I want to hunt down other mafia

lol k whatever you say. You have nothing to base your dis-belief in my claim but your gut, so I don't know what you want me to say. Nothing for me to argue with or debate here.

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@Lunatic

Anyone find yesterdays wagon interesting, considering half the people on crocs wagon figured I was up to something yet still voted croc?

That's a good lead if there were people like that. For people that thought croc was scum that just means they were wrong, no big deal there. Voting for someone then saying "ehhhhhh they might be town though" feels more like scum trying to get the mislynch while also distancing themselves from it to avoid suspicion.

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@Discipulus_Didicit

That's a good lead if there were people like that. For people that thought croc was scum that just means they were wrong, no big deal there. Voting for someone then saying "ehhhhhh they might be town though" feels more like scum trying to get the mislynch while also distancing themselves from it to avoid suspicion.

Oromagi and speed stand out to me as the most blatant. Oro said he felt suspicious of me after I claimed. Which is odd and he never substantiated why, and implies inside knowledge. If he was scum he knew croc was town and thus that I was lying. But it didn't take much to convince him to lynch croc either. Speed kind of fell similar but unless I am mixing him up with ragnar I think he gets a pass because he thought it was a bus, which is a much townier angle.

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@Vader

You don't sus that at all? WTF

Where are you getting that from? I just made two posts in a row saying lunatic is probably going to be our lynch...

Also all the stuff you just mentioned is a null tell considering his claim.

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Oro: My instinct is to believe Croc and sus TUF

Oro's next post: Well that's a fairly convincing argument although I still have some question whether Croc's trying to get himself lynched. VTL Croc

Didn't take much convincing for him to wagon that one despite his "suspicion" of me.

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So here are the player list and reads for me overall to come to my analysis on who is scum

1. Supadudz

2. Discipulus_Didicit

3. Bearman

4. oromagi

5. iLikePie5

6. Speedrace

7. PressF4Respect

8. Lunatic

9. littlecookie

10. waterphoenix

Water and I are town

2. Discipulus_Didicit

3. Bearman

4. oromagi

5. iLikePie5

6. Speedrace

7. PressF4Respect

8. Lunatic

9. littlecookie

That leaves these 8

Lunatic is scum to me and practically scum, so we bold him

2. Discipulus_Didicit

3. Bearman

4. oromagi

5. iLikePie5

6. Speedrace

7. PressF4Respect

8. Lunatic

9. littlecookie

I think Bear and Press are town just due to activity alone. I don't read Bear as having any scum things. I believe his lowkey attitude is a town. Also with Press being AWOL and him being alive, I think mafia is just trying to keep him alive so they can force mislynches if a replacement isn't there

2. Discipulus_Didicit

4. oromagi

5. iLikePie5

6. Speedrace

8. Lunatic

9. littlecookie

With role in mind, I believe that Speed is a slight town read. His role PM being similar to towns PM is a townie thing overall, he's still a null because he's Speed, but doing POE, I don't think he can be scum

2. Discipulus_Didicit

4. oromagi

5. iLikePie5

8. Lunatic

9. littlecookie

Then it comes down to Disc, Pie, and Cookie. I think Disc is the top candidate at the moment for scum. His hammer on Croc and his willingness to comply with a guilty player and an anti-town role is a strong scum tell IMO.

2. Discipulus_Didicit

4. oromagi

5. iLikePie5

8. Lunatic

9. littlecookie

It's either Oromagi, Pie, and Cookie. I think Cookie is gone from the pile. There lurking overall and sparse activity is usually a town tell for them

2. Discipulus_Didicit

4. oromagi

5. iLikePie5

8. Lunatic

IMO, it comes down to Oromagi or Pie. I'm leaning more Oromagi now. He says his role is up for interpretation but in my from what I seen, I don't think any role is up for interpretation in the first place. Mine, Water, Croc, Ragnar, Speed, and Lunatic's are all inherently based on the negative. The fact that one is up for interpretation seems a bit fishy.

I also think the town vs the town argument is not a good point to make

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A default isn't a top lynch thought. Default is just, "ehh we have nothing, fuck it let's go for him cause ____"

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I'm going off for a bit, but those are my reads

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If all supa is going to do is rant about how I am scum, we should probably flat out ignore him this day phase. If I am getting lynched, I'm getting lynched, that's fine. Let's try not to waste the day phase screaming the same thing over and over again. Town should want to make use of the time in the day phase and hunt for who they think other scum is. Supa not doing that is anti-town, even if he is town cop.

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@warren42

btw if you can't find a replacement for pressf you should use croc or ragnar please. Having 10 players alive means 6 votes are needed to lynch. If press is town that means we only have 6 active townies so 6 votes will be hard for us and if press is scum we have no way of reading him...

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@warren42

Use ragnar please lol No offence to croc, but he would be more active. Also if he isn't willing to replace, I will after I am lynched.

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VTL lunatic

considering lunatic admitted to supas cop claim i town read supa

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I'm worried about what makes this game bastard since we now see two VANILLA- suggesting that the traditional source of bastardness- roles, may not be an important source of bastardness for this game. Perhaps there are multiple duped states.
Pretty sure it really is just the warren-being-a-smartass-on-the-sideline aspect.

do you have something to report?

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