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@3RU7AL
It's not that complicated.How would you act if you were king?How would you act if you were like superman (impervious to human punishment)?How would you act with no established rules or authority?
I don't know.
It's not that complicated.How would you act if you were king?How would you act if you were like superman (impervious to human punishment)?How would you act with no established rules or authority?
It's not that complicated.How would you act if you were king?How would you act if you were like superman (impervious to human punishment)?How would you act with no established rules or authority?
...Surely it's bad for a soldier to be physically lacking, but does a merchant who's ventures have paid 'still need physical capability?
Do you think all the "good intentions" would short-circuit any and all "moral culpability" (requirement for punitive "punishment")?No, people are punished, discriminated against, or even exterminated at times, for 'their or 'societies 'greater good.Even when a mind claims to think of the welfare of others, at times it is instead a twisted branch.examples,Slaves are better suited to the lifestyle of slavery, whether until they become civilized, or because they can not rise above it.Native Americans must be absorbed into our culture, because we believe our society to be superior.A king without any selfish interest favors his second son, and so has his first son taken care of or executed, for the good of his second son, or the nation.Humanity would be better off using eugenics thinks some world leader, and then discriminates against certain groups.A nuclear family is an overall superior form of grouping thinks a politician, and votes against legalizing gay marriage.It goes on and on, and I'm not saying I 'agree with such thoughts, But such is human history and existence.Though I suppose one might argue the examples good intent is flawed.Discrimination is human.
...Surely it's bad for a soldier to be physically lacking, but does a merchant who's ventures have paid 'still need physical capability?I think it is in the merchant's best interest to possess Larsen's "Might is right". Irrespective of physical capability, I think the merchant would have to be held morally responsible for Weena's death if and only if she was there with Weena. IMHO, her wealth does not absolve her from moral responsibilities.
These are useful counter examples to Larsen's "might is right". Moreover, I think being idle is preferable than being an imperialist. At least, I would say so based on the examples you've listed. That said, I would argue that those examples are exactly why everyone should refrain from golden rules in moral dilemmas but that's a different topic for a different time. - MarkWebberFan
Myself, I'm fairly self interested, rather than community interested. - LemmingThat is a common condition. If it were not for self interest overcoming our sense of empathy would we even need ethics? - secularmerlinDo you think all the "good intentions" would short-circuit any and all "moral culpability" (requirement for punitive "punishment")? - 3RU7AL
secularmerlin's main point of the forum, whether ethics ought be justifiable without appeal to authority.
Ah, those, I posted...
And the list of counter examples I gave...
We defer 'medical knowledge to doctors...
We've talked about that before in the past, as I recall, you don't believe in free will.
Though I don't recall the implications of such a conclusion to you, regarding morality.What 'further conclusions you might reach from that.
. . .Well, then again, I recall you being against retributive justice.Which'd imply to me, you think forgivingly towards man, as not guilty or 'all to blame for what they are and their actions.Though individuals acting out would 'still have to be dealt with.
'Myself I'd think one would fall into a nihilistic interpretation of morality, but being human shrug and turn to practical response to life anyhow.To my mind though, such a conclusion of a lack of free will undermines solid morality, and one is left with their inclinations of nature and nurture.Present their case as they like by ego or altruism.Whatever appeals.Myself, I find it disorienting.
What about your pre-existing desires? Are those independent of your intention?
Is reason or a standard an authority?
That only practical morality need be observed. That "justice" is an artificial construct which lends the understanding that any consequences visited upon someone for wrongdoing has the sole purpose of stopping the wrongdoing rather than "punishment" of the wrongdoer.
Or as Larson does, view it more philosophically as a desirable attribute and state of what is good for an individual or group.
Don't know myself, subjectively, objectively, standards set, norms, goals, ideals. Maybe.
Hedonism perhaps, Existentialism, Aesthetics, Tradition, Culture, Conscience, bit of a mess perhaps.