What would it take for Donald Trump to be a racist?

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/456523-donald-trumps-no-racist-as-past-acts-and-presidential-record-prove

By Andrew Stein, opinion contributor — 08/07/19 10:50 AM EDT

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Andrew Stein is the former Democratic president of the New York City Council and founder and chairman of “Democrats for Trump.” He is the brother of The Hill’s chairman.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/510217-democrats-silence-on-our-summer-of-violence-is-a-tactical-blunder

STEIN is first charged with making false statements on

a form he submitted to the IRS in April 2008 in connection with

his efforts to receive IRS approval of a plan to pay off his tax

debts. In the form, STEIN made a number of material false

statements. Among other things, in response to questions that

called for such information, STEIN failed to disclose the

existence of Wind River LLC and his use of Wind River LLC bank

accounts -- which STEIN used to deposit and then withdraw

approximately $1.6 million in order to cover what appear to be

STEIN’s personal expenses. STEIN also failed to disclose the

fact that he was using the credit cards of third parties in order

to pay for hundreds of thousands of dollars of personal expenses,

including travel, hotel stays, and restaurants. Finally, in

response to a question that required STEIN to list all rental or

real property, STEIN listed only his personal residence in New

York, New York. In fact, both before and after STEIN signed the

2008 Form 433-A, he made at least $150,000 in payments for an

additional luxury rental property in Bridgehampton, New York.

According to the Complaint, STEIN used proceeds of the investment

fraud perpetrated by STARR to make these payments to rent the

Bridgehampton property.

STEIN is also charged with making false statements to

federal officers who attempted to interview him. In November

2009, after a special agent with the IRS advised STEIN that a

grand jury was investigating him, Wind River LLC, and individuals

whose credit cards STEIN had used, STEIN falsely denied knowing

Wind River LLC or the individuals whose credit cards he had used.

When the special agent tried to serve STEIN with a grand jury

subpoena issued to Wind River LLC, STEIN falsely denied being an

officer of Wind River LLC and refused to accept service of the

grand jury subpoena, even though STEIN had repeatedly indicated

on documents that he was a manager or member of Wind River LLC

and he had used Wind River LLC primarily for his personal

benefit.

Your source sounds like a Trump-supporting liar to me. Why should I believe him?

Yeah, you are disagreeing with an opinion, like that has never happened before.

Being racist should be like being pregnant, you can't be a little pregnant.

Well, you are still back to the conundrum of believing a person's arbitrary interpretations of one's actions and the actual intent.

saying something racist is an action. 

Actions speak louder than words. All he does is pander to minorities.

This is a question about Trump as president. You are referencing a 1973 lawsuit that was settled out of court. Are we assuming that everyone is static and that nobody can change opinions or attitudes after almost 50 years?

saying something is, by definition, an action. So your sentence is basically, actions speak louder than actions. When trump spews racism out to his millions of cult followers, that is a racist action. 

This is a question about Trump as a person. He didn't come into existence the moment he became president. He was racist before he was president and he still is. I am referring to actions trump took that are undeniably racist. 

If you want to play a semantic game instead of engaging with what you know I am arguing, then that's cool and all. Not very productive, though.

And if by "racist" you mean "things I disagree with because I like having wrong opinions" then yes, he says a ton of racist stuff.

He is asking about Trump supporters, which is implying Trump as president. If you could pinpoint some overtly racist policies and not "muh disproportionately affects" types of policies, I'd be happy to hear them.

"muh disproportionately affects" types of policies

obviously who has been his entire life is relevant to who he is now

IMO it would be fair to decrease the magnitude of any offenses the longer ago something was (with some exceptions, like murder doesn't have a statute of limitations).

James Gunn made bad jokes before Disney hired him. His actions since have shown that he has grown as a person (particularly the whole apologizing thing). However, if he made those same jokes five minutes ago, gave no apologies, and acted like it was ancient history, that would be be a laughable defense.

My question is: WHY? It didn't suddenly become virtuous to be an illiterate voter. It is still bad to have illiterate people voting, but because a racial, cultural, or ethnic group is impacted more, we have to disregard a good, logical law.

I don't think that disproportionately affecting some groups should be in consideration assuming that the actual law is logical.

My question is: WHY? It didn't suddenly become virtuous to be an illiterate voter.

He is a racist, there is zero question in my mind.

in what way is that a good law? You are talking about disenfranchising people because the system has failed them. If the system worked properly, there wouldn't be any illiterate people. How does removing what little voice those people have in society benefit anyone except those that want to completely ignore them?

I'm hoping you meant to say dealbreaker, as opposed to even a consideration.

I would have a lot less problems with such a low now

However, education is important to making an informed voting choice, so I see little problem with telling every citizen that we have some bare minimum requirements for being able to substantially impact how the country is run.

I agree, fix education first before making it a requirement.

CNN shouldn't be daycare for the stupid.

Could you provide an example of this being a dealbreaker vs not?

I agree, fix education first before making it a requirement.

totally agree on fixing education. Totally disagree on making it a requirement. It is just creating an underclass that has zero representation. America fought a revolution to guarantee that citizens would get representation in their government. So advocating for stealing that right is deeply unamerican in my view. 

CNN shouldn't be daycare for the stupid.

that would be fox news, as highlighted by the fact that people with lower education tend to be trump supporters. 

same spirit? (pun intended)

Marijuana laws disproportionately affect a couple minority groups. I don't think that it affects them more is a dealbreaker in itself, but should be worthy of consideration both when the laws are passed and when they are upheld (the harm weighted against the benefit). The lack of benefit from said law, to me that is the dealbreaker. Further, in the standards of fairness, we repealed prohibition; so why then make something less harmful illegal in the same spirit? (pun intended)

so your argument is that you want to make an underclass who have no representation because you don't think they are worthy of having a voice. I think America fought a revolution to put a stop to that. 

"ending the drug war"

marijuana really messes up the brain of people below 25 by weakening their memory

Now that women serve, I think a standard of having fought in our military sounds good... While mostly joking, this is to point out other standards of earning a right (a right, not a privilege... it shouldn't have to be earned). Each might have some benefit, but would probably be unfair. If you're born blind, you could never read or join the military. Heck if you're a man, you cannot ever give birth, so a voting standard of being a mother wouldn't be good either. Even the age one is tricky.

It's a free market, they can both be daycares!

Admittedly, Fox News employing Chris Wallace (third hobo in that dumpster fire of a presidential debate last week) has made me dislike them even more.