Avatar The Last Airbender Mafia DP1

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@Speedrace
Emphasis on the word twice :)
And it should be out of how many games you've played with me period

Off the top of my head I can think of playing forum mafia with you as scum twice, the office and BAMF, though I am probably forgetting more. Oh a maybe a few tiumes in live mafia but I forget those pretty quick.

7. iLikePie5 - Lean town, typical Pie play and I agree with his reads
In what circumstance would you scum read pie ever?

Why isn't skittlez in that pile? I think he should be pressured as well next DP
Skittlez didn't have a notable reaction, but I slightly town read him for being early to point out that there was still an upvote on that post before scum could unvote.
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@whiteflame
Damn, I had a whole treatise on pie...
What's your treatise on who the scum are?
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@Lunatic
In what circumstance would you scum read pie ever?
When his play is deviating from his standard town play AKA town callouts/reads/policies that are inconsistent with what he usually does. I've only seen him as scum twice though

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@Speedrace
When his play is deviating from his standard town play AKA town callouts/reads/policies that are inconsistent with what he usually does. I've only seen him as scum twice though
Did you scum read him properly in naruto? He was pretty brazen mafia dp1, ultimately led your lynch. I could classify that broadly as callouts/reads/policies. I guess I don't specifically understand why he's so town here to you.
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@Lunatic
Did you scum read him properly in naruto? He was pretty brazen mafia dp1, ultimately led your lynch. I could classify that broadly as callouts/reads/policies. I guess I don't specifically understand why he's so town here to you.
I don't remember I'll have to go look back, although didn't it end DP2? And I wouldn't say he's "so town" to me, just lean. Why, do you scum read him?
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@Speedrace
I don't remember I'll have to go look back, although didn't it end DP2? And I wouldn't say he's "so town" to me, just lean. Why, do you scum read him?
Yeah game ended after we lynched him dp2. I am starting to scum read pie because I am noticing similiarities in his play from naruto. He targeted you for a lynch for having a wierd role, and that's basically the same thing he was FOS'ing me for here. As scum I think he loves to push lynches on abnormal roles because they are easy mislynches. He probably thought I would have been an easy mislynch earlier in the phase because I had an abnormal role. The way he kept saying I was going to die today if I didn't claim made it seem like he was pretty serious. He changed his tune pretty easily after you unvoted and danielle agreed somewhat with my analysis from early in the phase meaning it didn't look like I was so easy to lynch. Now all of a sudden he is just going to be satisfied with my character claim? I don't feel genuinuity from him, and I don't feel like he's actually town trying to solve the game.

Now he hasn't voted but he seems to be leaning toward the bear lynch which I am becoming increasingly skeptical of the wagon, but the bear lynch seems to be the next ideal potential mislynch with warren pointing out character flaws. I get the feeling pie will be okay with any of the easier lynch targets. Also you guys buddy buddying doesn't make me feel any better about it, since I already read you. 
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@Lunatic
Kinda mind fvcked. Thought speed/bear was a scum team but speed pushing him has me second guessing. Could be a bus... But idk

Earlier when I said I was waiting for Speed's input, part of that was waiting to see if he put focus on Bearman. At the time you and I started to get impatient with Bearman and you expressed willingness to lynch him (which I was considering but didn't say outright).  I figured that Bearman would be the best person to frame and I was curious if Speed would redirect suspicion from him onto Bearman. That's exactly what he did, so now I'd still prefer to lynch Speed or at least get a claim. I realize we have a good amount of claims for DP1 but at this point Speed's is the only one I feel comfortable putting a vote on. The alternative is lynching you which I don't want to do dp1 or Bearman which I don't feel is in our best interest right now. 
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@Danielle
Earlier when I said I was waiting for Speed's input, part of that was waiting to see if he put focus on Bearman. At the time you and I started to get impatient with Bearman and you expressed willingness to lynch him (which I was considering but didn't say outright).  I figured that Bearman would be the best person to frame and I was curious if Speed would redirect suspicion from him onto Bearman. That's exactly what he did, so now I'd still prefer to lynch Speed or at least get a claim.
Interesting didn't think of that.

I realize we have a good amount of claims for DP1 but at this point Speed's is the only one I feel comfortable putting a vote on. The alternative is lynching you which I don't want to do dp1 or Bearman which I don't feel is in our best interest right now. 
I prefer a speed lynch atm as well, but if it doesn't pan out do to being a strong character or role, I am okay with being lynched as an alternative if we have no where else to go.
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@Lunatic
I dunno, in looking back at the earlier pages Speed seems kinda sincere insisting he wasn't the one who liked the post, but it just doesn't make sense for him to FOS Bearman.  Bearman was agreeing with Speed that your logic was silly. Speed says his reasoning for voting Bearman is "I do agree that the cited justification seems faked + my original sus for BearMan unvoting Lunatic for no specified reason." From what I can tell Bearman's claim seems legit. He's either town or using a fake claim.  I don't think Bearman would be clever enough to come up with that role and justification (which makes sense to me). He doesn't seem like a very strong player, so even though Speed is right that Bear's play seems a little bizarre -- and his voting for you and then declaring it wrong was is very weird --  that doesn't seem to be particularly "out of character" for him from what very little I can tell. He seems like a weird player in general, and would be an easy person to redirect suspicion to.  That's what I'd do if I were scum. And right now I don't feel comfortable lynching him dp1, especially because if your role is legit, I think it would make sense balance wise to have a town tracker. And I just don't feel like losing a potential PR at this point. So I'ma keep my vote on Speed and see what plays out. 


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@Lunatic
No treatise, just the thoughts that I've already expressed.
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@Danielle
 And right now I don't feel comfortable lynching him dp1, especially because if your role is legit, I think it would make sense balance wise to have a town tracker. And I just don't feel like losing a potential PR at this point. So I'ma keep my vote on Speed and see what plays out. 

Yeah also if he tracks wierd targets or something we can come back to him later.
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@whiteflame
So your vote is still on danielle, but you've mentioned bear a couple of times as being suspicious. Is there a way you can use your vote for valid pressure, seeing as right after voting danielle you said she seemed to be "moving things along"?  
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@Lunatic
I might change my vote to get valid pressure, but I'm not clear that the target of that pressure should be BearMan.
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@Lunatic
Interesting didn't think of that.
You literally just said that me voting Bear surprised you. So I'm scum if I scum read Bear and I'm scum if I town read him. Which is it?
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@whiteflame
I'm not clear that the target of that pressure should be BearMan.
Why not?
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@Speedrace
I agree that his role is strange, but I also think it's entirely plausible that it was an error in judgement/understanding of ATLA by Supa. I'd actually lend more credence to the latter in this case, though not by a wide margin.
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@whiteflame
Gotcha. I don't even think the PM stuff is very valid tbh since it was paraphrased and Toph makes sense as tracker
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@Speedrace
You literally just said that me voting Bear surprised you. So I'm scum if I scum read Bear and I'm scum if I town read him. Which is it?
You being scum isn't tethered to bears affiliation. What did you think I town read you after you voted bear?
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@Speedrace
What led you to vote BearMan then?
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@Lunatic
What did you think I town read you after you voted bear?
I never said that I thought you town read me
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@whiteflame
What led you to vote BearMan then?
Mainly the fact that after being pressured he completely turned his vote on Lunatic around. I don't see why he would do that except as scum
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@Speedrace
After being told my vote was wrong and I changed it I'm scum?
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@BearMan
You changed it for no specified reason. You just randomly changed it out of nowhere after being pressured
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Because it was BS that's why
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@BearMan
What convinced of that then? Why did you go from being convinced it was Luna to being convinced that it's not?
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@Speedrace
It seems you have noticed, I don't have to provide reason to EVERYONE why I unvoted. 

Lunatic just doesn't seem like scum, he plays like the town. Everything he has done has been not too detrimental to town. His FOCUS ON SCREENSHOT is what made me lynch him, but again the FOCUS ON SCREENSHOT is not enough to confirm a lynch.
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@BearMan
It seems you have noticed, I don't have to provide reason to EVERYONE why I unvoted. 
lol

You only scumread him for focusing on the screenshots?
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So yeah Bearman is weird. We have his claim. He claimed a believable power role (the justification seems to make sense) meaning he's likely town unless he's scum with a fake claim. I think we all know Bearman didn't come up with that claim. Are you willing to lynch a PR day phase 1? The fact that he voted/unvoted Luna seemingly for no reason is kinda meaningless since he is obviously a very strange bird. Someone should say if this is typical of his play style and if it is we should move on. 
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@Speedrace
Well, yeah.
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@Danielle
So yeah Bearman is weird.
A cross between a bear and a man is also very weird