if you were a jew during the old testament times, would you execute active homosexuals?

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I have been tempted to post the contents of the PMs between Ragnar

Well I did exactly that in the name of  truth, honesty and openness.  Knowing full well  it would get me banned.  And you laughed at me for doing it. 

Obviously, true to form, you are not interested in none of the above,  a simple ban is far too important to you over truth, honesty and openness, to you Christians.


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I didn't laugh at you for posting the contents of the PMs. I laughed because you thought you were righteous in doing so. I'm laughing at you again.
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Probably.  
It's not really God your dealing with being a jew is it ?  But that's another post. 

( for 100 gold entry into heaven points I might. ) 
If alllll my neighbors did it I probably would.  


One would think that, before one kills one for being a homosexual. 
You need to look at their penisus ,  for if they've a foreskin they are doomed to hell anyways.
Becccauseeee.
I mean. 
Well It's only common sense that Ya can't enter heaven with a forskin. 
Why it's  as common  sensesensesense  as,  Ya can't  go to heaven after eating that  much LIFE TIME bacon. 




Becccauseeee.
( first stage )  When Ya die , you meet a bloke with a list. 
He asks you a longggggggggggg list of questions to see if you can go to heaven or not.
#298.  Genital inspection. 
And
# 412.  Life time bacon consumption weight in kg. 

Hang on 
Imagine getting  the gang together to go out murdering homosexual. 
Imagine alerting the gang to the fact that you know where a homosexual couple live. 
Then next week coming up with three more location where homosexuals live. 

That's easy to imagine. 
Try imagine this.
Imagine having to teach yourself to belive that the OT doesn't  count. 
Ouch. 

I've gone to far hey ? 

Good day.



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Could deb8 and dee dee be the same person?
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I've never sock puppeted.

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Didn't think you did, but maybe Dee dee has. Your styles are at their core, similar, down to the repetition of stock phrases and thinly suppressed anger. But if you are liberal enough, the mods don't seem to mind a sock puppet or two.

Hope you are well.
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Thang.

Correct. The thinly suppressed anger bit. 
Hey Don't tell know one this , but I've a 4 skin. Anddddd allllllll the God's especially  back in the " OT time " all gods wanted this circums ,,, I can't spell it but you know what I mean. 
I'm going to get allllllll the way to heaven. Or question inspection #298 
And the trap door will be instantly opened. 

You can't be walking around in heaven with skin covering ya knob can ya ? 
Common frigging sense.  
Keep this between you and I Big fella.  

Good game. 
Good game. 
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You can't be walking around in heaven with skin covering ya knob can ya ? 
Can you be walking around with a wife without a ring?

One bunch of idiots ( not you) think the ring is what proves the marriage.
The other bunch (not you) thinks the ring means nothing.

Your question shows you haven't a clue what circumcision means or what it is for. But of course, if ignorance ever stopped you, we wouldn't know of you.

Sometimes I wonder if your repetition is compulsive. I mean, can you make a post without it? Are you in control of that? Well, at least you seem to have progressed from the obsession with singing groups.

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To be clear, posts #13 and #22 are pretty bad and obvious CoC violations.

Yes, sometimes a history with a user comes up unavoidably, like if someone is basically spamming threads of the same topic we're not going to intercede against someone pointing it out... but the level of obsessing over them to have that list of links, plus the vileness of the related descriptions... it crosses a line that I had hoped would be obvious by now.

Everyone, please don't behave like that.
-Ragnar, DM
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How is post #20 a CoC violation?
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How is post #20 a CoC violation?
Because you are bashing the gays and saying dumb things like two men doing gay things but they aren't gay and saying it again and having abcess about it so you will might get more than 30 days.
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It's an ugly one, but I meant #22. Sorry for the confusion. When handling so many reports, numbers get crossed sometimes. The above post is now corrected to say 22 instead of 20.
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Thanks
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OOOOH Mikey.....A nasty abscess for thirty days......Punishment enough.

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The Bible does not record a  single  incident  where  a  homosexual  was  ever  actually  killed   just  because  of the  mere  fact  that  -   they  were  homosexuals .

The execution  or  punishment  or  stoning   of homosexuals may have  never  ever even happened    -      for the  sake  of   simply  being  a  homosexual . 

 There is no effort  by  the  authors of the Bible to portray  a presentation of glorification of the  harming or abusing  of the homosexual community.

I recall only  three  total  instances  where   LITERALL   homosexuals  were  actually  living  in the  Old  Testament.

1.        was  when the  homosexuals of  Sodom  were trying to  punish  Lot   for   associating himself with his  Polygamous  uncle  Abraham      -  the  homosexuals were so upset that Lot would bring  a  Polygamous  man  into  their  city  that  they  felt that  Lot  deserved  to  taught  a  lesson   -    Abraham and his male workers needed to  be  dragged  out in to the streets of  Sodom  and  have their rectums  and  anal  orifices   wallowed   out  and   turned inside  out   and receive a good old  fashioned Liberal  Democrat  gang rape.     

Something  that  most  Liberal  Democrat  women  or  even  most  Trinitarian  women  would absolutely  find  sheer delight  in  seeing  a Polygamous  man  properly  punished  in  this  way.

Unfortunately for  the  homosexuals,  God did not appreciate this and protected his Polygamous servant Abraham  and  his nephew  Lot   -   and  shortly  thereafter,   the homosexuals  of  Sodom  and  all  of  their  disappointed   Liberal  Democrat  admirers  and   Pagan  Trinitarians   found themselves smothered in  brimstone and flaming  chemicals  and  burned to  a crisp.  

 2.   was when a  group  of  homosexual   literally  actually  did  gang  raped  a  women   literally  to  death -  in fact  these  homosexuals   raped  her  over and over for a duration of an entire night.   Her  rectum  and  vagina  and entire  digestive and reproductive system was so  badly  damaged and  turned inside  out  and  flared  out  and  ripped and bleeding  and  gaping  open   -     that she basically  died  in  horrible  agony  and  suffering  early  the next morning.


3.   was  when  a   specific  righteous  and  very  Godly  King  of Israel   basically  ordered  all  of   the  homosexuals  to   leave  his   kingdom  and  get  out  of   the  land  of  Israel.  -   just  a  order  from the  King  sent  the  homosexuals  out  and  away    -     maybe  the  King   wanted to have children and was a little worried. 


other than  these  three  examples   -   never  was  a single  mention  of  any  homosexuals  being  physically abused,  persecuted  or stoned  to  death  or killed   -  just  because  they  were  homosexual.      -  in fact    -  these  three   instances  are  the only  mention  of any  homosexuals  in the  bible.  =  there  were  no  homosexuals  stoned  to  death  or  physically  punished  or  harmed  because   of   the  fact  that  they  were  homosexuals.

Maybe  you can  take  a   magic   pink  pen  and  write  out   your  own  special  pretty  fantasy  about  a  bible  story  about  homosexuals  being  abused and  tormented  and   abused  by  Gods   homophobic  people...     

   Just  pick  up  a  bible  and  just  start  writing,    right now.     I would  like to see what  you  fantasize  about,

Imagine  -  fantasize  and  dream away.       don't  forget to  check both of our spelling,
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No, I wouldn't. Did you have a followup question?
- Yes, you would. Period.

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Wow, you're magic. Now tell me how many fingers I'm holding up.
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@eventuality001
The Jesus guy was very much a mans man, even when Mary Whotsit threw her self at him.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that the bible is nothing more than a metaphor for human sexuality.

Starting with Eve and her juicy fruits,

And Adam and his one eyed serpent.


And Mother Mary riding donkeys.....Say no more.
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Wow, you're magic. Now tell me how many fingers I'm holding up.
- Dude, we've been through this before. We've already established you're insane. Even if I show you the bright sun in the sky you'll deny it. As to sodomy, yes if you were a Jew during Old Testament times you would kill sodomites. Heck, you would do that even a century or two ago. Spare us your fantasies. 

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I'm not sure what you think you have been through before and what threshold you think was established and met in some phantom definition of "insane" that you like to use. But if you knew Jewish law, then you would know that your statement is wrong. Insisting that I would do something because of your very limited understanding of what being a Jew at any time really means  just shows off that ignorance. Feel free to speak for others because you arrogantly think you know other cultures and cultural rules better than members of that culture, if that floats your boat.
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I'm not sure what you think you have been through before and what threshold you think was established and met in some phantom definition of "insane" that you like to use. But if you knew Jewish law, then you would know that your statement is wrong. Insisting that I would do something because of your very limited understanding of what being a Jew at any time really means  just shows off that ignorance.
- You have it backwards. Your wishful thinking & fantasies do not speak for the Jewish Tradition & the rabbis. I taught Jews before, & I know your kind -all whims. I know real rabbis & their positions. Spare us your fake news. You aren't fooling anyone but yourself.


Feel free to speak for others because you arrogantly think you know other cultures and cultural rules better than members of that culture, if that floats your boat.
- Indeed I do. Most people are ignorant, even about their history & faith. I have yet to meet someone on this Forum who knows Western History & Thought better than I do.

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@Yassine
You have it backwards. Your wishful thinking & fantasies do not speak for the Jewish Tradition & the rabbis. I taught Jews before, & I know your kind -all whims. I know real rabbis & their positions. Spare us your fake news. You aren't fooling anyone but yourself.
I'm an orthodox rabbi. I have smicha from a kollel in Boro Park, Brooklyn. I think I speak for Jewish law and tradition a bit more than you who "taught Jews." Oh yeah, I'm also a teacher with a number of degrees, training and experience.  You definitely don't know Judaism and Jewish law better than I do.  But do let your arrogance flag fly!
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@rosends
I'm an orthodox rabbi. I have smicha from a kollel in Boro Park, Brooklyn. I think I speak for Jewish law and tradition a bit more than you who "taught Jews." Oh yeah, I'm also a teacher with a number of degrees, training and experience. 
- An orthodox rabbi against orthodox views... I can tell just from engaging with you, you're not a real rabbi. You are not grounded in liberal arts, you don't speak with an understanding of rhetorics & logic in textual interpretation. 


You definitely don't know Judaism and Jewish law better than I do.  But do let your arrogance flag fly!
- Even if I did, my opinion doesn't matter. I'd rather put my trust into the REAL qualified Orthodox rabbis.
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Feel free to have whatever opinion you want. I happen to be an actual, honest to goodness ordained orthodox rabbi. I teach in a Jewish high school. I have a liberal arts degree from college (and multiple graduate degrees). I teach rhetoric. I teach textual interpretation. I teach orthodox Jewish views. Your opinion really doesn't matter. If people want to know anything about Judaism, I hope they ask someone like me, who is an actual Jew, trained to discuss Judaism, and not someone like you who makes things up and guesses, hiding behind some arrogant sense of self.
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@rosends
Feel free to have whatever opinion you want. I happen to be an actual, honest to goodness ordained orthodox rabbi. I teach in a Jewish high school. I have a liberal arts degree from college (and multiple graduate degrees). I teach rhetoric. I teach textual interpretation. I teach orthodox Jewish views.
- Are you saying Orthodox are now sell-outs too? 


Your opinion really doesn't matter. If people want to know anything about Judaism, I hope they ask someone like me, who is an actual Jew, trained to discuss Judaism, and not someone like you who makes things up and guesses, hiding behind some arrogant sense of self.
- Why do you keep referring to me as a Jewish guide!? – I rather hope they ask an actual Orthodox rabbi instead.
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Are you saying Orthodox are now sell-outs too? 
I have never said that. I'm not even sure what it means. Also, you write "too" as if there is another group that are "sell-outs". To what group are you referring?

Why do you keep referring to me as a Jewish guide!? – I rather hope they ask an actual Orthodox rabbi instead.
Where did I use the word "guide"? You wrote, " I taught Jews before" and I said that I hope that if Jews have questions they seek out an actual orthodox rabbi (which I am) and not you because your "teaching" is based in arrogance and ignorance.

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The only people recorded in the Bible being executed and killed for adultery were those who were  actively spreading diseases and death  to  thousands  of people    -    who were dying by the thousands,,   thousands were  literally dying in just a few short days  

homosexuality were never, ever    even  once   recorded to be killed because of the fact that they were homosexuals  -  in the Bible.  - the Bible simply does not give    REAL  TIME   examples of anyone randomly killing and executing anyone for sexual immorality.

I think this is a good moral example for Christians and Jews to look back upon and pattern their lives to keeping their  DNA  and  family  clean and healthy and pure.

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homosexuality were never, ever    even  once   recorded to be killed because of the fact that they were homosexuals  -  in the Bible

You have read the biblical story of Sodom & Gomorrah, I take it?
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@Stephen

Yes, in Genesis 19, God sends two angels disguised as men to Sodom, where the men of Sodom threaten to rape them. God then destroys the city with fire and brimstone.
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