God and Dreamtime stories.

Have you wondered why he needs to repeat himself so many times. 

Because SOMEONE clearly isn't absorbing the information. 

If you think obsessive walls of texts about another poster is "having something to add" then I think I'll just stay being that one person thanks.

Stephen just enjoys posting hateful stuff about God and Christianity

It was you that returned to the forum  repeatedly speaking on the behalf of "another poster"  after your lengthy ban  "following a resumed pattern of sexual harassment"

Impervious.

On a computer..........   yes.

But in the real life.......  NO.

Burden of Proof:  How it Works

In civil litigation and criminal prosecutions, the burden of proof lies with the party asserting an allegation of fact. 

It's a fundamental principle.

Those that seek the assistance of the law must prove their claim - first,before the defendant.

It'snot for the defendant to disprove an unproven case advanced by the claimant. 

The burden of proof in civil disputes and criminal disputes lies with the party asserting proposition, not the party defending or denying it. The person seeking the legal remedy bears the burden or onus of proof.

To satisfy the burden of proof:

• the party with the burden of proof
  
• must prove the alleged fact
  
• to the standard required by the applicable standard of proof. https://hallellis.co.uk/burden-proof-balance-probabilities/#:~:text=Burden%20of%20Proof%3A%20How%20it,%2D%20first%2C%20before%20the%20defendant. 
  
• Are you sure that your a lawyer! Reverend? 
  

 Tradesecrete wrote: Now if we can show which court room we are in - let us begin.  Are we in the criminal or the civil court room? but we are in not in such court rooms, are we? We are in a courtroom of public opinion.  What are the rules here? 

 This didn't stop you introducing  criminal law and legal advice  into a thread when I  asked you a simple yes or no  biblical question, now did it Reverend?   Would you like reminding; 

 Tradesecrete wrote: #15

Besides - I counsel all of my clients never to answer yes or no. Why would I not take my own advice? Life is more complex than black and white - yes and no answers. 

Suited you then didn't it, Reverend.  And yes , if you prefer, we are in a  court opinion  so to say  to anyone " “ who are you to question this old belief”   is simply YOU attempting to gain the high ground and wield your imagined authority on the subject matter. 

What are the rules here? 

Deary me. Don't you know Reverend lawyer?  Facts & Proof are the rules.  Like the FACTS  & Proof of  law written and universally accepted law  that I have shown you in my quote  that states actual FACTS about where  the Burden of Proof actually lays and not what ones   “ attitude to  is" towards where the Burden of Proof lays.  You can't simply dismiss facts because they don't agree with you, Reverend. Like me, facts don't care about your feelings, Reverend. 

Theists don't go round saying - atheists are wrong.

 

Even if that is true,  it still doesn't alter the fact, Reverend,  that YOU make the claim  that god is real, that he created everything  on the planet and in  the universe and that every word in the holy scriptures  were as you say  " breathed by god himself". PROVE IT!

IT is not our job to prove the atheist is wrong. 

I know it is your job to defend and prove your belief and your position and your claim that god exists .   

I would take the view that it is the atheist who is the complainant.

Well let me tell you lawyer,  that the only complaint I have with YOU and Christians , is that you can never prove you case.

They are the ones who are always insisting that the theist needs to address what they assert. 

Well I don't. I only ask you to adress what it is that YOU claim .

I only ask that you  support and prove your claims. But you don't have to. No one is forcing you. You make the choice either to try to defend your "god breathed" scriptures or simply ignore. There is one or two other options that are open to you but you Christians let your pride stop you.  And YOU in particular, let not just your pride, but  your absolute arrogance and ignorance .  But I suggest that you should never come to the table empty handed as you do.   You have shown me that you  know very little about these scriptures  above what you have been taught to " pass on" by others.  As you freely admit here >>>>.

Tradesecrete wrote:  I in most parts are merely passing on the teaching of what i havereceived. I do not have an agenda. I really don't.    #20

 Indeed,  which as to be one of your most contradictory statements that you have ever made on the forum.  Why ? Because you do have an agenda, or have you forgot what your god commanded you to do?   Here's a reminder for you Pastor,  Mark 16:15  You are a minister aren't you and a Pastor?  you claim you are here>>

It is theist who is constantly under attack from the atheist.

Well in my particular  case  I simply read, scrutinize and question the scriptures. I don't care if or not there is a god. I don't care that Jesus believed he was dying for me (if he died at all). . I didn't ask him to sacrifice himself and from what I have read, he didn't want to either.  And I  like to take responsibility for my own sins and mistakes, and the  thought of someone taking the blame or responsibility for something that I did , frankly appalls me, Reverend, doesn't it you?

I treat these ancient texts as a history, a very bad and flawed history.

It is the atheist who is always making a complaint. IT is the atheist who is always trying to prosecute the case. 

 You are not a lawyer at all are you

Stated by TS a few posts back in this forum. 

My logic is not that a lot of people have agreed therefore it must be right. It is that the default position is in place for a reason, and just because someone comes along who disagrees with it - does not mean that suddenly the tradition has to prove itself.  Why should the newcomer get the right to question the tradition without first putting up their reasons for why the tradition should be challenged?

didn't stop you introducing  criminal law and legal advice  into a thread when I  asked you a simple yes or no  biblical question, now did it Reverend?   Would you like reminding; 

This 

LOL@ your continued sleight of hands.  In the first place - I never introduced legal advice. 

I simply drew on legal principles in relation to b of p 

I did not EVEN introduce legal principles.

 I love how people talk about things like facts when they don't have any way to ACTUALLY prove it.  None of this would pass a court room test. #11

Tradesecret

Theists don't go round saying - atheists are wrong.

 

Even if that is true,  it still doesn't alter the fact, Reverend,  that YOU make the claim  that god is real, that he created everything  on the planet and in  the universe and that every word in the holy scriptures  were as you say  " breathed by god himself". PROVE IT!

  I am sorry - this post is not about theists making a claim about God being true. It is about an atheist wanting to know about evidence.  

IT is not our job to prove the atheist is wrong. 

I know it is your job to defend and prove your belief and your position and your claim that god exists .   

God does a pretty good job himself. 

I would take the view that it is the atheist who is the complainant.

Well let me tell you lawyer,  that the only complaint I have with YOU and Christians , is that you can never prove you case.

We don't have to prove God exists.  LOL! it is not us with the eye problem or with the unbelief.  

They are the ones who are always insisting that the theist needs to address what they assert. 

Well I don't. I only ask you to adress what it is that YOU claim .

I only ask that you  support and prove your claims. [A]But you don't have to. No one is forcing you. You make the choice either to try to defend your "god breathed" scriptures or simply ignore. There is one or two other options that are open to you but you Christians let your pride stop you.  And YOU in particular, let not just your pride, but  your absolute arrogance and ignorance .  But I suggest that you should never come to the table empty handed as you do.   You have shown me that you  know very little about these scriptures  above what you have been taught to " pass on" by others.  As you freely admit here >>>>.

Do you even read what you write? I talk about God.

You continually assert that "you have not seen any evidence for God's existence". That is your assertion. That is your positive assertion. Except you are too afraid to own it. 

  But is it a command to others apart from the apostles?

The church would not make such an assertion? Since it is your assertion, I wonder if you will attempt to prove it? 

It is theist who is constantly under attack from the atheist.

Well in my particular  case  I simply read, scrutinize and question the scriptures. I don't care if or not there is a god. I don't care that Jesus believed he was dying for me (if he died at all). . I didn't ask him to sacrifice himself and from what I have read, he didn't want to either.  And I  like to take responsibility for my own sins and mistakes, and the  thought of someone taking the blame or responsibility for something that I did , frankly appalls me, Reverend, doesn't it you?

I treat these ancient texts as a history, a very bad and flawed history.

You lie again.  You do care. 

 You like most atheists put the lie or misconception that you don't care - but you do.

Otherwise you would be of doing something different. But no - instead - you are here trying to prove your case.  Because you do care. 

 You are not a lawyer at all are you?

More ad hominin attacks.

You are not a lawyer at all are you?

It most certainly is your profession that bothers him.

Do you not understand humour?

The joke is that the lawyer doesn't understand the law, hence they cannot comprehend how the BoP works. 

didn't stop you introducing  criminal law and legal advice  into a thread when I  asked you a simple yes or no  biblical question, now did it Reverend?   Would you like reminding; 

This 

LOL@ your continued sleight of hands.  In the first place - I never introduced legal advice. 

But you did. When  I asked you to answer a simple yes no question you told us that in your capacity as a lawyer that you advise your clients  "never to answer a Yes or No question" #15  thereby introducing legal advice and lawful practice into a thread.  I am not interested your pathetic semantics.  You just love your double standards when they suite you,  don't you Pastor?  

I simply drew on legal principles in relation to b of p 

Not in that thread I pointed out.#15. It was all legal and lawful then to do so then wasn't it?   You used legal practice to avoid answering a  simple yes or no question. My point was that  suited you then but here you are wanting to over turn the universally accepted code of law accepted by all legal practices that the B Of P rests with YOU, the one that brings the claim.

and the legal principles are : Burden of Proof:  How it Works

In civil litigation and criminal prosecutions, the burden of proof lies with the party asserting an allegation of fact. 

It's a fundamental principle.:  which you are trying to deny

I did not EVEN introduce legal principles.

That is because it clearly suites you not to.  To do so would blow your  B of P argument clean out of the water.

But look at what you AGAIN state yourself here on this thread BECAUSE IT SUITES YOU>> 

 I love how people talk about things like facts when they don't have any way to ACTUALLY prove it.  None of this would pass a court room test. #11

Tradesecret

So again,  you are  refusing evidence presented on this thread   because  according to you  "None of this would pass a court room test. #11" <<<,,this is you  introducing  legal and lawful practice and "principles" into a thread when it  SUITES YOU!!!!.   You should fire whoever is writing your script for you because whoever it is they making you look even more ridiculous for someone that claims to be  a wo/man of letters AND a lawyer!!!!! Or at lest get them to read all of your comments on this thread before answering on your behalf.

Theists don't go round saying - atheists are wrong.

 

Even if that is true,  it still doesn't alter the fact, Reverend,  that YOU make the claim  that god is real, that he created everything  on the planet and in  the universe and that every word in the holy scriptures  were as you say  " breathed by god himself". PROVE IT!

  I am sorry - this post is not about theists making a claim about God being true. It is about an atheist wanting to know about evidence.  

That's correct.  Is about asking for evidence concerning the existence of god because the Burden of Proof in on the theist. And you  have been arguing - against the universally accepted law that the B of P is on s/he brings the claim.  And it has  turned out then that you can't even prove your claim.

IT is not our job to prove the atheist is wrong. 

I know it is your job to defend and prove your belief and your position and your claim that god exists .   

God does a pretty good job himself. 

Does he? Then lets some some solid and satisfactory evidence  for that claim - YOUR claim.

I would take the view that it is the atheist who is the complainant.

Well let me tell you lawyer,  that the only complaint I have with YOU and Christians , is that you can never prove you case.

We don't have to prove God exists.  LOL! it is not us with the eye problem or with the unbelief.  

Well you do if you insist that god exists.  And you really need to fire your script writer.  He / they are doing you absolutely no favours and are making you look amateurish and appear to be very retarded when compared to all of the quantification that you claim to have.  And  of late your posts certainly don't become a wo/man or letters.

They are the ones who are always insisting that the theist needs to address what they assert. 

Well I don't. I only ask you to adress what it is that YOU claim .

I only ask that you  support and prove your claims. [A]But you don't have to. No one is forcing you. You make the choice either to try to defend your "god breathed" scriptures or simply ignore. There is one or two other options that are open to you but you Christians let your pride stop you.  And YOU in particular, let not just your pride, but  your absolute arrogance and ignorance .  But I suggest that you should never come to the table empty handed as you do.   You have shown me that you  know very little about these scriptures  above what you have been taught to " pass on" by others.  As you freely admit here >>>>.

Do you even read what you write? I talk about God.

 Actually you  - write words about god  - and I have to wonder why if  "words are just words"  according to you? I mean, whats the point of writing anything at all? << can you answer that question? 

But did  you read what I have wrote above  at [A]  in that quote of mine?  "  But you don't have to. No one is forcing you". 

And makes no difference to me.  HOW MANY TIMES!!!?? I ask a question you don't have to answer it. In fact I prefer it when you don't or can't, I usually suspect the latter when it comes to my questions?. I am quite content to just keep highlighting the ambiguous biblical half stories and posing my questions,  especially to people such as yourself, Reverend  ; a qualified person that claims to have  "I studied and was tutored by academics,scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox Church".#91 and all those I  honestly find it all a great experience , but I would have also preferred it to also be a challenge too.

You continually assert that "you have not seen any evidence for God's existence". That is your assertion. That is your positive assertion. Except you are too afraid to own it. 

 See this is where you are making GIANT, GIANT assumptions and "assertions"  about what I believe. So show me just one single place on the whole of this forum where I have said I do not believe in the existence of god/gods or have  even said that I   - " have not seen any evidence for God's existence". <<<<<<<<< these are your assumptions and "assertions".  You just love you double standards when they suite you don't you.

would I have an agenda? You would be better of using Matthew as opposed to Mark. Nevertheless, that is a commission for the apostles. Is it able to be extended to others in the church?Possibly

Then what exactly is your function as a Pastor and a Chaplin. What is the point of you and your ILK at all  if not to spread to the world  "the word of god" ?  <<<< do you see how silly your  sounding Reverend?  Do you see how contradictory you coming across. Do you not see how in your desperation to be contrary you are denying that you have no religious function !?

  But is it a command to others apart from the apostles?

 I don't care. And you should know.  I have simply quoted your own scriptures where Jesus tells his followers to go out and "preach the gospel" whatever it it was.  Did these  followers simply   preach  and not teach others to be teachers and preachers, so that they in turn would also carry on the teaching of Jesus?   Do you not see how fkn stupid you are sounding. 

The church would not make such an assertion? Since it is your assertion, I wonder if you will attempt to prove it? 

I think my "assertion" is proven by the BIBLICAL fact that Jesus tells his followers to go out and preach to the world, Mark 16:15 or are you going to deny that too?

Now if this is not your   "agenda" <<< your word,   then what is your purpose? And why did you spend all of those years of training into becoming a minister of  the church doctrine?  You tell us that you  "studied and was tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox Church".#91. 

 You tell us that you  also qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation to lecture student at universities" where you charge for the privallage.#20.   You further tell us  " I study the original languages, translate them to English" #25.

And to round it all off,  and  this is the relevant part of your  academic history where the particular point here is YOU  not having an "agenda"  is  YOU  TELL US >. "I in most parts are merely passing on the teaching of what i havereceived".#20 <<<<<<<< So what is it that  you  are  "passing on" to all of those university students with all those  years of religious academia under your belt,  if its not the "word of god"Reverend?  Do you see what a nonsense you are creating for yourself  (or someone else is).

It is theist who is constantly under attack from the atheist.

Well in my particular  case  I simply read, scrutinize and question the scriptures. I don't care if or not there is a god. I don't care that Jesus believed he was dying for me (if he died at all). . I didn't ask him to sacrifice himself and from what I have read, he didn't want to either.  And I  like to take responsibility for my own sins and mistakes, and the  thought of someone taking the blame or responsibility for something that I did , frankly appalls me, Reverend, doesn't it you?

I treat these ancient texts as a history, a very bad and flawed history.

You lie again.  You do care. 

 You really are desperate to be right about something and anything, aren't you. 

 You like most atheists put the lie or misconception that you don't care - but you do.

Prove it? 

Did you know humans and dogs share 84 percent of their DNA?  My dog is an Atheist (well, he probably is an agnostic) and he is pretty happy.

If for some reason you cannot defend your claim, don't make it

These things are true and will remain true no matter how much you fuss and fume

Just like how you are incapable of proving God is real. 

The only thing you seem capable of doing is shifting the BoP. 

Why was God even considered to be real?

Can you provide any evidence?

You are clearly a very confused individual. If you are accused of murder and are facing a court system, do you have to a) provide evidence that you are not a killer and risk being charged or b) rebut all allegations thrown at you and maintain the status quo. Perhaps the lawyer can help us out here. 

He probably eats for a living.

And apparently, neither does being lawyer prevent one from believing in fantasy tales.

For every jibe there is a counter jibe.