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and one party has large support for hate speech, that would be the much bigger issue. 
Ah yes, my party having ideas you find controversial is definitely worse than your party wanting to jail and/or fine people for hurting peoples’ feelings with said opinions.... totally.

I think most people support common sense gun control. There is a difference of opinion of where that line should be, but i think most people can agree that having to pass a training course and a background check is reasonable. But the republican party tries to obstruct any kind of reform at all.
From what I understand, most laws proposed generally have some sort of provisions used for tracking guns. Since that sets up for taking guns down the line, whenever the Overton window shifts far enough, they oppose it, whether you buy that argument or not. Since D’s seem to idolize European countries, most of which have strict gun control, and based on NY and CA’s highly restrictive laws, I don’t think it is an insane assertion.

Most gun deaths are either homicide or suicide, so I doubt training courses would help much, although I’m not against them.

yeah, the republicans. They love those gun toting "proud boys" who try to attack and kill protesters
Lmao, I really hope this is satire. Either that or you’re disconnected from reality. Take your pick. I could go look up who is advertising bail funds for rioters. Oh yeah, the likely future Dem VP!

The fact that republicans hate a word they don't even understand is the much bigger issue.
Most of its supporters probably can’t define it, either.

none of these things are differences in basic values. Xenophobia isn't a value. both sides are against (or at least claim to be against, the republicans seem to cheer it on) violence in the streets.

They differ in certain policy goals. How much gun control is the right amount? No one thinks they should be handed out on the street to every person that comes along, virtually no one thinks all guns should be banned. So everyone agrees some amount of gun control is needed, it is just how much that is at question.

the issue is not that there are fundamental differences in basic values, it is that polarizing language is being used by both sides to try to play up this divide. The leadership of both parties want you think that the other side is the "other". They are unreasonable and want to destroy your way of life, etc. That way you have no choice but to support them, even though you likely don't agree with alot of the things that leader wants to do. It is a political tactic, and it is causing huge damage.
Both sides are against violence? Get back to me when Biden condemns Antifa, the easiest thing in the world to do.

Like I said to Zed, I’d like to think the only difference is rhetoric. However, if you compare each side’s vision of America, they seem incompatible to me.

Some issues like gun control are on a line. But there are lots of non-starters nowadays. Issues like DACA, ending “birthright citizenship”, among other issues have very little middle ground
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They blame every bad thing currently in black peoples’ lives on white people. White people are evil oppressors and we are somehow uniquely bad because of slavery, even though the North African slave trade enslaved more white people. Just check out all of the white people who have raised black power fists, kiss/washed boots of black people, and groveled at them since the beginning of the year. It goes much deeper than that, but those are the most visible signs.

No, that is a blatant misrepresentation (paraphrase) that you completely  made up. Literally. No teacher in the history of college has ever said that, you have no proof that anyone has ever said that, yet you will stand by that indefensible and unsubstantiated falsehood just because it suits your narrative of wanting to hate liberals for whatever reason. What does get taught in college are the ways slavery, Jim Crow, and subsequent racism have had an undeniable impact on black people's lives. Obviously that should be taught because it is relevant to our history, culture and society.  Perhaps the (somewhat obvious) reason American slavery gets prioritized in our education is because we live in the U.S. 

I don't know what you're referring to about "white people raising black power fists" since the beginning of the year. I know that after a police officer murdered George Floyd in the middle of the year, a lot of white people showed support and advocated change to the criminal justice system. I'm not sure what you think that proves.


Biden said there will be at least a 100 day moratorium on deportations, no matter what they have done.
Can you show me where he said that? 

California refuses to work with ICE to help deport illegal aliens.
They are a Sanctuary State meaning they don't go out of their way to find illegal immigrants, but that doesn't mean they welcome or want to keep violent criminals so that doesn't really prove anything. Besides, you don't believe the citizens of California should get to vote on the laws that govern California? Interesting.  

How are gun manufacturers negligent that they should be sued for?
Big Pharma has settled billions of dollars worth of lawsuits regarding the careless distribution of drugs they manufacture. Gun manufacturers can be held liable in a similar way if their products get into the wrong hands. We have a constitutional right to bear arms, but we don't have a constitutional right to buy a gun. The court could easily say manufacturers of dangerous products (like guns) have a responsibility to ensure those products are not abused by requiring stringent background checks and other barriers of purchase, again like opioids and other prescriptions. 

But, I’d say the people who want to pervert what America has always been and was meant to be should leave first.
That's a pretty nonsensical position considering the U.S. is a nation built by immigrants. After slave labor helped make the country rich, immigrants made it thrive throughout the Industrial Revolution. The country has always been a melting pot with more immigration than anywhere else in the world since this country's inception. Do you not believe the U.S. is great and hasn't been great this whole time? Which country is better? 

Even if you wanted to delude yourself into believing harmony could be achieved with one homogenous race and religion (despite how many times that's been disproven throughout history) we know white Christians in Vermont are much different than white Christians in Mississippi. There is absolutely, positively no one or right way to be American or define what America has "always been." So that's really just hyperbolic 'love it or leave it' nonsense. 


I’m familiar with it being associated with dilapidated housing and housing shortages. I could be wrong. I’ll look into it.

It is, but not homelessness. 


Because of their crap, I will soon not be proud to be an American. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to become an anti-white version of Brazil.

Which crap is that? I think it's stupid to be hyper-partisan and cheer against a political party like it's a sports team. Liberals are not wrong about everything. An example of how stupid it is to devote yourself for/against one political party is to look at how much the GOP has changed just in the last 4 years alone. They've done a complete 180 where they used to be for free trade; now they're pro regulation and tariffs. All of their pro capitalism rhetoric went right out the window and most Republicans are too ignorant to have any clue what they're even cheering for.

Another example is how Republicans were firmly against increasing the deficit and would not increase spending at ALL when Obama was in office. When Trump was in office, they did another 180 and voted for the exact same things they voted against when Obama's administration proposed them. So really people just like hating shit for the sake of hating it and start yelling like monkeys. They don't even know what they're talking about half the time. I think it's pathetic to take sides like that as both parties tend to be right/wrong on various things. 

It's interesting that Bernie and AOC have somehow come to define the Democrat party even though most Dems are more moderate. That's how Republicans aimed to win their political races in 2020: scaring people into thinking the Democrats are now bonafide socialists. It's not true but it worked like a charm so it was a good strategy. I'm personally not a fan of socialist politics myself. I am a fan of inclusion and non discrimination. Obviously it doesn't matter to any sane or decent human being which bathroom someone chooses to pee in, so I don't hate on Democrats for stuff like that. 

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No teacher in the history of college has ever said that




Liberals are not wrong about everything.

You must not live in Detroit.

On the good side, if you want to live in a semi-anarchy with a barely functional government and pervasive degentrification, then Detroit may be the Mecca for you!

I mean Someone's trash is another person's treasure. Amirite?

That's a pretty nonsensical position considering the U.S. is a nation built by immigrants. 
Legal immigrants. The African slave's contribution to America was burned to the ground by Sherman in the late 1800's. So much for dat narrative.
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Can you show me where he said that?
Wapo asked every candidate if they supported a 100 day moratorium on all deportations. Biden is under the “yes” column not the “yes with exceptions” column.


No, that is a blatant misrepresentation (paraphrase) that you completely made up. Literally. No teacher in the history of college has ever said that, you have no proof that anyone has ever said that, yet you will stand by that indefensible and unsubstantiated falsehood just because it suits your narrative of wanting to hate liberals for whatever reason. What does get taught in college are the ways slavery, Jim Crow, and subsequent racism have had an undeniable impact on black people's lives. Obviously that should be taught because it is relevant to our history, culture and society. Perhaps the (somewhat obvious) reason American slavery gets prioritized in our education is because we live in the U.S.

I don't know what you're referring to about "white people raising black power fists" since the beginning of the year. I know that after a police officer murdered George Floyd in the middle of the year, a lot of white people showed support and advocated change to the criminal justice system. I'm not sure what you think that proves.
Ask literally any college professor what the cause of any racial disparity in achievement is. I guarantee you that over 80% will blame some buzzword like “systemic racism” or “redlining” or “colonialism”. It would be incredibly rare to find ANY that put even an ounce of blame on any underachieving minority group.

That’s why I made a whole thread on the “racism boogeyman”. 

Here is a quote by a researcher:
“There are fewer than 1% of black female professors in the United Kingdom … The findings show that for changes to be made, the embedded structures of racism and white supremacy need to be dismantled in preparation for an education system that is based on equitable practices and processes.”

Dr Judith Bruce-Golding

Wow, the 1% of black female professors in the UK of all places, a country without Jim Crowe, are blaming the racism boogeyman for any racial disparity? Color me shocked!

Thousands of STEM workers going on strike because only 7% of STEM workers are black and only 9% are Hispanic.


No other explanation is possible. Must be evil, oppressive Whitey keeping a brother down.

And the black power fists and all the actions of submission show the obvious result of all of this pushing of White guilt.

They are a Sanctuary State meaning they don't go out of their way to find illegal immigrants, but that doesn't mean they welcome or want to keep violent criminals so that doesn't really prove anything. Besides, you don't believe the citizens of California should get to vote on the laws that govern California? Interesting.
No, immigration law is federal in nature. I see you try to play the federalism card when convenient, even though it doesn’t apply.

And this is about not cooperating at all with ICE.

Means not only not looking for them, but not giving over any info they have already collected on illegal immigrants or any actions to help them enforce federal laws


Big Pharma has settled billions of dollars worth of lawsuits regarding the careless distribution of drugs they manufacture. Gun manufacturers can be held liable in a similar way if their products get into the wrong hands. We have a constitutional right to bear arms, but we don't have a constitutional right to buy a gun. The court could easily say manufacturers of dangerous products (like guns) have a responsibility to ensure those products are not abused by requiring stringent background checks and other barriers of purchase, again like opioids and other prescriptions.
But whether or not people are going through background checks is a role of the government to determine. If you stab people with a filet knife, should we sue knife manufacturers?

And whether or not manufacturers can distribute their guns to certain areas.... guess what? That is also for the government to determine. They put magazine limits and other laws if they want to restrict sales. It isn’t up to the gun maker to do the government’s job.

That is just a shameless attempt at restricting gun rights by threatening manufacturers. (Meanwhile as you allude to, there is no right to drugs in the Constitution)

That's a pretty nonsensical position considering the U.S. is a nation built by immigrants. After slave labor helped make the country rich, immigrants made it thrive throughout the Industrial Revolution. The country has always been a melting pot with more immigration than anywhere else in the world since this country's inception. Do you not believe the U.S. is great and hasn't been great this whole time? Which country is better?

Even if you wanted to delude yourself into believing harmony could be achieved with one homogenous race and religion (despite how many times that's been disproven throughout history) we know white Christians in Vermont are much different than white Christians in Mississippi. There is absolutely, positively no one or right way to be American or define what America has "always been." So that's really just hyperbolic 'love it or leave it' nonsense.
Slave labor by no means made the country rich. It held the country back.

Slave labor is dreadful economically. And prior to the 1960s, we had an immigration system designed to acquire European immigrants, who were much more likely to assimilate into American culture.

Accepting mass, uninterrupted third world immigration has not been the historic norm, however.

As for the differences of Vermont Christian and those from Mississippi, I remember not 40 years ago, when the country was not like it was now, that we had 49 state landslide victories. Doesn’t happen anymore without a homogenous population. Happened with Reagan, happened before that with Nixon. Huge landslides for FDR as well.

Which crap is that? I think it's stupid to be hyper-partisan and cheer against a political party like it's a sports team. Liberals are not wrong about everything. An example of how stupid it is to devote yourself for/against one political party is to look at how much the GOP has changed just in the last 4 years alone. They've done a complete 180 where they used to be for free trade; now they're pro regulation and tariffs. All of their pro capitalism rhetoric went right out the window and most Republicans are too ignorant to have any clue what they're even cheering for.

Another example is how Republicans were firmly against increasing the deficit and would not increase spending at ALL when Obama was in office. When Trump was in office, they did another 180 and voted for the exact same things they voted against when Obama's administration proposed them. So really people just like hating shit for the sake of hating it and start yelling like monkeys. They don't even know what they're talking about half the time. I think it's pathetic to take sides like that as both parties tend to be right/wrong on various things.

It's interesting that Bernie and AOC have somehow come to define the Democrat party even though most Dems are more moderate. That's how Republicans aimed to win their political races in 2020: scaring people into thinking the Democrats are now bonafide socialists. It's not true but it worked like a charm so it was a good strategy. I'm personally not a fan of socialist politics myself. I am a fan of inclusion and non discrimination. Obviously it doesn't matter to any sane or decent human being which bathroom someone chooses to pee in, so I don't hate on Democrats for stuff like that.
I agree. I don’t cheer for political parties. I don’t even like the GOP. I’m speaking of the current, general beliefs of either a party’s voters or its leaders. I have beliefs, and I get behind candidates who share those. That, and it is fair to view them as sports teams when you see them voting on party lines for many major decisions like Supreme Court justices.

However, the Dems and I’d wager to say the vast majority of their voters select candidates that are too far gone socially to ever get my vote in the next few decades.

But I’ve been trying to use the term “liberal” more than Dem because I’m opposed to both parties, but I’m opposed to liberal ideology more so.

I thought the socialism smear was stupid. I watched a Hill video and they said that most Republicans were actually attacking based on corruption smears.

Also guess I’m indecent and insane because I don’t think grown men who think they are women should be in the same bathroom as little girls.
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A bunch of links to race theorists doesn't prove anything. Neither does Detroit being a shit hole.  

If the legal status of immigrants is what determines their utility to America,  just make them all legal :) 
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If the legal status of immigrants is what determines their utility to America,  just make them all legal :) 

Worked for Rome! hurrdurr.
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If the legal status of immigrants is what determines their utility to America,  just make them all legal :) 
Hey why don't we just open the borders to the whole planet and get swamped with third world laborers then we can all work for $2 dollars a day like the ship breakers of Bangladesh.
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Wapo asked every candidate if they supported a 100 day moratorium on all deportations. Biden is under the “yes” column not the “yes with exceptions” column.

It's convenient that you linked to a graphic behind a firewall, but beyond a cute cartoon photo we can defer to what the Biden campaign has actually said about what he wants to do in his first 100 days.  They released a joint statement with Latino Victory Fund committing to a total moratorium on deportations during his first 100 days as president, and said efforts will be narrowly targeted to those who commit a felony offense in the United States or who present a national security threat. In fact there was a famous clip of some immigrant confronting Biden asking him if he would stop all removals, but Biden refused, saying he’d prioritize deporting people who committed felonies or “serious crimes” instead. The guy objected, and Biden flippantly responded “You should vote for Trump" which became a viral clip.

But yeah, no, there's no evidence Biden or Democrats have any interest or desire to keep felonious or violent criminals in the U.S.


Ask literally any college professor what the cause of any racial disparity in achievement is. I guarantee you that over 80% will blame some buzzword like “systemic racism” or “redlining” or “colonialism”. It would be incredibly rare to find ANY that put even an ounce of blame on any underachieving minority group.

As I said: you have absolutely, positively, undoubtedly, not one iota or even scintilla of any kind of verifiable proof or justifiable evidence at all whatsoever that liberals or college professors "blame white people for all their problems." You want to talk about BUZZWORDS? Lol you literally just repeated the nonsense you said before. You predictably responded with nothing but more of that paraphrased rhetoric that I said you couldn't substantiate. And you didn't. And you can't.

That's because nobody "blames white people for all their problems." They just explain why the effects of slavery, Jim Crow and racism have a ripple effect that permeate in different ways (albeit watered down over the years) throughout society. People's complete and utter failure or refusal to recognize that and accept the facts, research and anecdotal experiences that are presented doesn't make racism an imaginary boogeyman, just FYI. 


No, immigration law is federal in nature. I see you try to play the federalism card when convenient, even though it doesn’t apply.

I'm pretty sure you don't know anything about me or what "cards" I play and when. Another thing you don't know is the law lol. The 10th amendment of the Constitution says that states do not have to enforce federal laws, which is why some states legalized pot even though it is federally criminalized (the feds can still enforce federal laws within those states). In fact, this past June the Supreme Court refused to hear Trump's challenge to the state of California’s sanctuary law. You must have completely missed that, but it was a great win for state's rights. 


But whether or not people are going through background checks is a role of the government to determine.

Under the status quo, sure.


If you stab people with a filet knife, should we sue knife manufacturers?

No, although depending on how litigious one is they can try. Knives are not as dangerous as guns though. Guns are designed specifically to kill. That's their purpose. 


And whether or not manufacturers can distribute their guns to certain areas.... guess what? That is also for the government to determine. They put magazine limits and other laws if they want to restrict sales. It isn’t up to the gun maker to do the government’s job.

That is just a shameless attempt at restricting gun rights by threatening manufacturers. (Meanwhile as you allude to, there is no right to drugs in the Constitution)

Yeah, so clearly you don't understand what I'm talking about. I can try to explain it again. Under the status quo the government regulates guns. The state decides things like who can purchase guns, how many guns they can purchase, what kinds of guns they can purchase, how long they have to wait to purchase, etc., and the manufacturers have essentially nothing to do with it and therefore have no liability. But that is not the standard we have for other products and industries.

Other industries DO have liability for the products they manufacture if the products are deemed particularly dangerous. I gave the example of opioids because it's the best analogy. We don't have to regulate who buys shampoo as stringently because shampoo is not designed to kill people or create life altering addictions or illness. However we DO regulate who can manufacture nukes and dangerous weapons. We do regulate who can manufacture and sell certain chemicals. We hold those people responsible if products get into the wrong hands. Similarly there is a way you can modify tort law to make it a fair and reasonable process to hold gun manufacturers liable -- you'd essentially encourage them to implement background checks so it's them doing it and not the state.

In fact, because we have a constitutional right to bear arms, one could argue the state shouldn't be doing it at all. Instead anyone should theoretically be allowed to buy a gun if the manufacturer and distributor sell it to them. Then victims can just include those manufacturers and distributors in lawsuits.  For instance all the people who are litigating in court right now over allegedly getting mesothelioma from talcum powder are suing not just the company of the product they believe gave them cancer, but the people who mined, manufactured and sold the ingredients in those products as well.

So yes, in short there is absolutely a legal basis for what I'm suggesting. You can disagree but you'd need to understand tort law first. 


And prior to the 1960s, we had an immigration system designed to acquire European immigrants, who were much more likely to assimilate into American culture.

You have no reason to believe that Hispanic immigrants won't assimilate. None. All evidence points to the contrary. 


 I remember not 40 years ago, when the country was not like it was now, that we had 49 state landslide victories.

A landslide victory is not indicative of righteousness. It's also pretty amusing to see you lament partisanship while you have taken such a hardline stance against the left lol.  

However, the Dems and I’d wager to say the vast majority of their voters select candidates that are too far gone socially to ever get my vote in the next few decades.

Probably not. The majority of the party is pretty moderate, so much so in fact that Bernie Sanders lost in a landslide to a dinosaur like Joe Biden. He is considered a moderate with a history of bipartisan sponsorship. AOC and "the squad" are in the minority. They are considered political outsiders and hate the likes of Nancy Pelosi whom they see as an establishment hack. Most Dems are corporatist and economically moderate, though they do want government healthcare. So do Republicans according to polling. It's true the Dems might move the country left on some things but I don't see the Green New Deal or anything like that happening. 

Also guess I’m indecent and insane because I don’t think grown men who think they are women should be in the same bathroom as little girls.

Yeah, you're probably just bigoted and don't realize it or want to admit it. The fact is there is absolutely nothing stopping grown men from going into the bathroom with little girls now. If anyone has an intent on raping or harming a little girl they can and will, and no bathroom policy will stop that. Period. Thinking some little sign on the door will stop them is as insanely stupid and naïve as thinking a "no guns" sign will stop criminals from carrying guns. 

In reality the "men" who use women's bathrooms often look and dress like women. They go in a private stall (unlike men's bathrooms, you don't watch anyone piss). This is safer for them than being in the men's bathroom considering there is a history of trans people being assaulted and harassed by grown men. There is no history of little girls being harassed and assaulted in the women's bathroom. There's a history of them being assaulted and raped in general, but when people tried to talk about that it got ridiculed as a liberal crybaby movement (#MeToo) cuz rape only matters if it happens in a bathroom apparently. 
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Worked for Rome! hurrdurr.

So the legal status doesn't matter? Thanks for clarifying!
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Not at all! If you wanna say you are Roman, Okay!

Worked WONDERS for Rome! lulzie
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In 370 AD hordes of Goths were camped on the Danube River pleading to cross into Roman territory. They were fleeing other barbarians, the Huns, who subjected them to abuse, hunger, enslavement, etc.

It was illegal for the Goths to enter Rome without permission. Rome's emperor wanted cheaper soldiers to expand his political reach, power, and wealth. He believed that if the Goths came into Roman lands, he could hire soldiers at lower wages.

Before long the weak-willed, greedy emperor acceded to Gothic pleas. The emperor authorized the Goths to cross the Danube, provided the men to leave their weapons behind.

When the Roman army officers facing the Goths saw how gullible and greedy their nation's elites were, they grabbed for lucrative profits. Working against Rome's best interests, Rome's corrupt officers turned the migrant crossing into a personal profit center. They allowed the male Goths to enter Roman ground fully armed and got Gothic wives, daughters, boys, slaves, personal goods, and livestock in exchange.

Thus began the collapse of the Roman Empire.

Newly hired Goth soldiers weren't too interested in fighting for Rome. They and their kin didn't intend to learn Latin or assimilate into the Roman culture. They were interested only in the safety and advantages of Rome.

Before long, the Roman benefits weren't appreciated and the Goths sacked Roman cities, followed by other barbarian tribes that entered rotten-to-the-core Rome, rampaging at will throughout the empire, killing, burning, and looting. The Dark Ages began. Tourists can see the results of Rome's experiment with mass migration. The fruits of mass migration are today called "Roman ruins."

In the here and now, highly placed leaders in the United States see similar opportunities to boost profits and power. They see cheaper labor and political clout available across a river or an ocean and insist that the U.S. should do as the Romans: open the borders and bring in the migrants.

Backers of uncontrolled migration falsely claim that it's our obligation and that we gain from a mass inflow of workers who will work for wages so low that America's lowest wage-earning citizens are pushed out of jobs and onto the public dole.

This, perversely, is a powerful way to boost the left's political clout. Americans are forced by judicial tyranny, executive fiats, and political gamesmanship to maximize non-citizen access to our extravagant "safety net" of housing, health care, education, food-purchase cards, and other benefits.

American citizens are called hard-hearted, unChristian, and economically illiterate if they object.

The Goth men traded their women and children. Men in Central American countries are also trading their women and children, sending them on potentially deadly 2,500-mile journeys to reach a border. Across that border is the rich, gullible United States of America, which is expected to enroll the travelers in the "public benefits" system and to disburse them around the United States to places where they swamp schools, health care, and all public facilities. Then their men will follow.

Migrants and refugees cross the Greek-Macedonian border near the town of Gevgelija on Feb. 19, 2016. European Union leaders meeting in Brussels piled pressure on Turkey to curb the flow of migrants to Europe in line with an aid-for-cooperation deal signed last year. Pressure to enforce the deal is growing as EU officials say thousands of migrants are still crossing the Aegean daily from Turkey after more than one million made the perilous journey last year in the greatest such movement since World War II.
In Europe, the migrant flow is somewhat reversed. In the war zones of the Middle East, young, able-bodied Muslim men should be fighting for and protecting their wives and children where they live. But they don't. They abandon their kin in the killing fields, escaping in a trek of hundreds of miles to Europe.

Recently, a group of Spanish welcomers picked up a boatload of migrants, some of whom had traveled 5,400 air miles half-way across Asia and the entire length of the Mediterranean Sea to get into rich, inept, and looney Europe. They are embraced into the western world's super-generous social benefits system. After obtaining complete access to Europe's gifts, violent demands and aggression follow against the Europeans who provide them.

Over-ruling European citizens' wishes, the European Union's ivory-tower, want-to-be-dictators order all its member nations to give full citizenship privileges to the uninvited invaders. This is very much the pattern for the United States of America in the 21st century.

The suicide of the culture of the West proceeds apace.

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Not at all!

I see. Why did you bother pointing out that the immigrants who built America were legal immigrants? 
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The acceptance of mass migration by a nation's leaders is a symptom of deep corruption and a complete inability to sustain the welfare of the citizens they are tasked to provide for.
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P.S. Look up the Dillingham Commission and what Congress said about "undesirable" immigrants back at the turn of the century. Xenophobia is not new. 
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I see. Why did you bother pointing out that the immigrants who built America were legal immigrants? 

Because legal implies assimilation.
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 Xenophobia is not new. 

Okay, you go girl with your bad self with the "all cultures are equal" bullshit.
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The acceptance of mass migration by a nation's leaders is a symptom of deep corruption and a complete inability to sustain the welfare of the citizens they are tasked to provide for.

This is just your opinion and has no factual basis.  The country was founded by migrants and government isn't supposed to provide. It protects. 
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The country was founded by migrants and government isn't supposed to provide.

well, you can blame FDR for fundamentally changing the way government operates.
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Okay, you go girl with your bad self with the "all cultures are equal" bullshit.

Um, yeah I didn't say that. At all.

And legal status doesn't imply assimilation status. They literally just stamped your shit at Ellis Island and didn't even spell people's name right let alone verify they've "assimilated." The people coming didn't have jobs, houses or established communities.  You're lucky if their infectious diseases were caught and stopped from coming in.




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This is just your opinion and has no factual basis.  The country was founded by migrants
This country was founded by conquerors, pioneers, and explorers 💪
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This country was founded by conquerors, pioneers, and explorers 💪
Yeah, they migrated here. 
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They literally just stamped your shit at Ellis Island and didn't even spell people's name right let alone verify they've "assimilated." The people coming didn't have jobs, houses or established communities.  You're lucky if their infectious diseases were caught and stopped from coming in.


Yeah..they did that because they expected people to assimilate and provide for themselves.

You can cut the bullshit with the false equivalency between immigrants pre-FDR and immigrants post FDR as if there is no difference.

You're not going to fool many with that tripe.

More than 120,000 immigrants were sent back to their countries of origin, and during the island's half-century of operation more than 3,500 immigrants died there. Ellis Island waylaid certain arrivals, including those likely to become public charges, such as unescorted women and children.
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President Warren G. Harding signed into law the first Quota Act (1921). This law effectively ended America's open-door policy by setting monthly quotas, limiting admission of each nationality to three percent of its representation in the 1910 Census.
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If only Roman history was required reading instead of some fucked-up dated poem on a piece of French metal.
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Fool you? I wasn't even talking to you. I was telling bmdrocks21 that his "love it or leave it" view is pretty narrowminded considering there is no one way or right way to be an American, and it's not true that we were a homogenous nation prior to Reagan. When I told him this country was built by immigrants, you felt the need to chime in legal immigrants as if their legal status somehow proves his point. It doesn't. 

My point was that the country has always been diverse, whereas he falsely portrayed it as a completely unified country. In fact it was the opposite and we were probably more xenophobic prior to the 20th century. Even if earlier immigrants had legal citizenship status, they still immigrated from all different places.  They still brought with them their own values, beliefs, cultures and traditions from all over the world which has in turn created our own little American mish mosh.  Bmdrocks never justified his  view that Europeans are more likely to assimilate than others. He's just trying to make an excuse for why HIS worldview is the "correct" American worldview. It's nonsense.
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Assuming Europeans are more likely to assimilate than Hispanics is just flat out racist. There's no proof of that. Over time most cultures assimilate, and if I had to pick the U.S. groups that assimilate the LEAST it would be European immigrants/descendants - specifically Hasidic  Jews and the Amish. 


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It's convenient that you linked to a graphic behind a firewall, but beyond a cute cartoon photo we can defer to what the Biden campaign has actually said about what he wants to do in his first 100 days.  They released a joint statement with Latino Victory Fund committing to a total moratorium on deportations during his first 100 days as president, and said efforts will be narrowly targeted to those who commit a felony offense in the United States or who present a national security threat. In fact there was a famous clip of some immigrant confronting Biden asking him if he would stop all removals, but Biden refused, saying he’d prioritize deporting people who committed felonies or “serious crimes” instead. The guy objected, and Biden flippantly responded “You should vote for Trump" which became a viral clip. 

But yeah, no, there's no evidence Biden or Democrats have any interest or desire to keep felonious or violent criminals in the U.S.

Well if he changed his mind after the polls said it was unpopular, then that’s fine, I guess.

And my bad, he just wants to keep non-felonious criminals here and wait until they murder a citizen or rob people to kick them out. Fair enough. I guess my bigoted self would just want those criminals deported to prevent that righteous murder of a citizen.

As I said: you have absolutely, positively, undoubtedly, not one iota or even scintilla of any kind of verifiable proof or justifiable evidence at all whatsoever that liberals or college professors "blame white people for all their problems." You want to talk about BUZZWORDS? Lol you literally just repeated the nonsense you said before. You predictably responded with nothing but more of that paraphrased rhetoric that I said you couldn't substantiate. And you didn't. And you can't.

That's because nobody "blames white people for all their problems." They just explain why the effects of slavery, Jim Crow and racism have a ripple effect that permeate in different ways (albeit watered down over the years) throughout society. People's complete and utter failure or refusal to recognize that and accept the facts, research and anecdotal experiences that are presented doesn't make racism an imaginary boogeyman, just FYI.
I think you need to take a deep breath real quick.

I gave you a quote from a researcher with a doctorate! Someone who hypothetically should be a prominent member of their respective field, and all they did was use buzzwords to blame a likely complex disparity into “muh racism”

I also showed how thousands of college-educated STEM people are protesting imaginary racism because of disparities in people choosing STEM.

And while they talk about “muh Jim Crowe” from 60 years ago, you’ll virtually never hear about how >70% of black kids are born out of wedlock, how disproportionate crime rates push all investment out of their cities, how dropping out of high school will negatively impact your future wealth.

You’re asking for a study to “prove” it happens knowing full well this can’t be studied just to “own” me because I’m not providing a study. 


I can provide you “anecdotal” cases all day, but it is clear you have already made up your mind on the subject.

I'm pretty sure you don't know anything about me or what "cards" I play and when. Another thing you don't know is the law lol. The 10th amendment of the Constitution says that states do not have to enforce federal laws, which is why some states legalized pot even though it is federally criminalized (the feds can still enforce federal laws within those states). In fact, this past June the Supreme Court refused to hear Trump's challenge to the state of California’s sanctuary law. You must have completely missed that, but it was a great win for state's rights.
Sovereign nations have federal immigration laws lol. Hence the supremacy clause which states that federal law > state law if they conflict.

I never said that the states have to enforce immigration laws. I said that California wasn’t cooperating with ICE in reference to liberals wanting to keep criminal aliens in the country.

Btw, SCOTUS doesn’t hear most cases sent to them tee hee

No, although depending on how litigious one is they can try. Knives are not as dangerous as guns though. Guns are designed specifically to kill. That's their purpose.
There are these cool news things called “hunting” and “shooting targets for fun”. You should check them out.

So yes, in short there is absolutely a legal basis for what I'm suggesting. You can disagree but you'd need to understand tort law first.
I don’t need to change tort law. I’m perfectly fine with keeping it how it is and want to keep the exemption.

Protecting second-amendment rights by preventing frivolous lawsuits against companies makes perfect sense. They aren’t responsible for idiots using their products in ways they aren’t meant to be used.

But it is clear you want to run gun manufacturers out of business because they can’t afford to fight thousands of frivolous lawsuits.

Taking OxyContin to get high isn’t a right. Owning a gun for self defense? Yeah, that is. So their respective manufacturers shouldn’t be treated exactly the same legally.

You have no reason to believe that Hispanic immigrants won't assimilate. None. All evidence points to the contrary.
Depends on how you define assimilation. English proficiency doesn’t look too hot.

Plenty of areas in the Southwest US where you need to speak Spanish to communicate with people. They have ethnic enclaves.

Unending mass immigration of any group of people is a recipe for disaster. After the Ellis Island surge, we restricted immigration immensely. Since the 1960s, the faucet has never been turned off.

The peak percent of foreign-born citizens was either around 1890 or during an uptick around 1910. In 1921, we ended our open door policy to allow assimilation to take place. 

But, under the Biden administration, with tens of thousands of more refugees and hundreds of thousands of more immigrants per year, I’m not too hopeful that will happen.

A landslide victory is not indicative of righteousness. It's also pretty amusing to see you lament partisanship while you have taken such a hardline stance against the left lol.
A landslide shows that despite some regional differences, there is still a national thread holding us together. Things we can all agree and get behind together very strongly. There will never be another landslide like those for a long time.

I hate partisanship when it isn’t useful. When it distracts from solving problems, it is bad. When it accurately categorizes people based on their beliefs, it is convenient to use for discussion. I take a hardline stance against the ideological left because most of their ideas suck, quite frankly. Some are good. I agree when they have good ideas. Although those may more be partisan-based because the GOP has bungled issues like healthcare.

Probably not. The majority of the party is pretty moderate, so much so in fact that Bernie Sanders lost in a landslide to a dinosaur like Joe Biden. He is considered a moderate with a history of bipartisan sponsorship. AOC and "the squad" are in the minority. They are considered political outsiders and hate the likes of Nancy Pelosi whom they see as an establishment hack. Most Dems are corporatist and economically moderate, though they do want government healthcare. So do Republicans according to polling. It's true the Dems might move the country left on some things but I don't see the Green New Deal or anything like that happening.
I think you’re right that as of right now the party is moderate. In the next 10-20 years, I’m quite confident in a strong leftward shift.

Look how quickly Obama/Biden flipped on gay marriage. First time, they ran against it.

Now there is a big push for a government healthcare system that would be unthinkable a decade ago. Millennials are going to become a large voting block as they age, and they are very left-wing compared to Boomers and GenX.

But I was saying that the party is too far left socially for my liking. Honestly they can’t get much further left in that respect. Some woman admitted child abuse by transitioning their small kid and Biden had nothing negative to say about that lunacy.

The fact that there was no backlash from anyone in his party for that was insane. Not a peep, at least that I saw.

Yeah, you're probably just bigoted and don't realize it or want to admit it. The fact is there is absolutely nothing stopping grown men from going into the bathroom with little girls now. If anyone has an intent on raping or harming a little girl they can and will, and no bathroom policy will stop that. Period. Thinking some little sign on the door will stop them is as insanely stupid and naïve as thinking a "no guns" sign will stop criminals from carrying guns. 

In reality the "men" who use women's bathrooms often look and dress like women. They go in a private stall (unlike men's bathrooms, you don't watch anyone piss). This is safer for them than being in the men's bathroom considering there is a history of trans people being assaulted and harassed by grown men. There is no history of little girls being harassed and assaulted in the women's bathroom. There's a history of them being assaulted and raped in general, but when people tried to talk about that it got ridiculed as a liberal crybaby movement (#MeToo) cuz rape only matters if it happens in a bathroom apparently. 
Ah yes. We bigots and our *checks notes* trying to protect little girls from being molested.

Simply having a sign up obviously doesn’t stop a man with ill-intent from going in a woman’s restroom.

But as of right now, if I saw a grown man barge in there, I would be super suspicious. Women might scream at them. But when you allow a wolf in the hen house without a second thought from anyone involved? Probably not gonna be great.

As for your gun signs, I’m sure you support no-gun zones. Seeing someone with a gun in a no-gun zone will probably tip you off of danger. Seeing a man in a no-man zone does the same thing.

And clearly you have never been in a guy’s restroom lol. You don’t watch people piss. That’s gay!

MeToo was criticized because they were publicizing stories that got people fired for very serious and oftentimes unprovable accusations.


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Yeah, they migrated here.
You can use silly words with strong connotations to try to equate great men to 8th-grade-educated third world immigrants all you want.

Reminds me of those news articles that say “3 Teens Shot Up Liquor Store; Committed Arson”

You make the sympathetic connection “aww they’re just teens” 😂
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You can cut the bullshit with the false equivalency between immigrants pre-FDR and immigrants post FDR as if there is no difference. 
I’d say that pre-Hart-Celler Act and post-Hart-Celler Act is where the big difference came in.

It’s when we stopped caring where people came from. Total disregard for their cultures and values.

If only Roman history was required reading instead of some fucked-up dated poem on a piece of French metal.
Ah yes, the poem on the Statue of Immigration, given to us by France so that we would feel obligated to become a third world country.

I’m glad we allow a piece of foreign metal that was made because of “immigration” to dictate our immigration policy for the rest of time.
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Don't mind me. I am just taking out my frustration that you didn't hide behind me for immunity all game long.