a day in the life of sue, a republican

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This looks like something Trump's minions would write in Fox News.
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Don't mind me. I am just taking out my frustration that you didn't hide behind me for immunity all game long.

Shh. You're not supposed to talk about the game! You're hinting to people that you're town which is not fair.  Fortunately I doubt any of those players will read this except maybe Pie. You could be lying anyway ;) But yeah I'll explain in the End Game. I didn't read my role correctly lol womp womp. Do you wanna play Live Mafia tonight? 
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And my bad, he just wants to keep non-felonious criminals here and wait until they murder a citizen or rob people to kick them out.

Deluding yourself into thinking that Democrats want rapists and criminals among their own children and society is an astonishingly stupid take. You partisans frothing at the mouth over hatred for "the other side" sound absolutely insane saying things like this. Not only is it mind bogglingly dumb to suggest people are A-okay with murderers roaming free -- and nobody has ever said that, so it's just  another thing you completely made up -- but it also makes no sense to suggest we should assume people who stay in the country illegally (i.e. non felonious criminals) are going to rob and kill people. That's ridiculous fear mongering. I hope you're not actually that ignorant and afraid. 

And no Biden didn't "change his mind" so you're wrong again. He has always said he wanted felonious immigrants out, and in fact Trump used Biden's anti immigration stance against him in the debate when he commented that Obama + Biden's administration built the cages and presided over mass deportation. So conservatives can't have it both ways and highlight that Obama/Biden were anti immigrant in their policy and then at the same time try and portray them as open border enthusiasts. I mean I guess you can try, but I'll call it out as nonsense as you can see. 



I gave you a quote from a researcher with a doctorate! 

Your argument is that black people blame white people for all of their problems. Here is the quote you provided: “There are fewer than 1% of black female professors in the United Kingdom … The findings show that for changes to be made, the embedded structures of racism and white supremacy need to be dismantled in preparation for an education system that is based on equitable practices and processes.” This statement makes one singular observation about one specific subject - the lack of black female professors in the U.K. - and therefore in no way, shape, or form comes even CLOSE to proving the monumentally broad statement of white people being blamed for all black people's problems. All this does is highlight exactly what I said about teachers discussing the ways history has impacted present day society. 


I also showed how thousands of college-educated STEM people are protesting imaginary racism because of disparities in people choosing STEM.

You gave a statistic about 16% of STEM workers being brown. That doesn't prove anything about racism being "imaginary" lol what? And what does this prove about "white people being blacked for all black people's problems?" You're just throwing out useless statistics at this point. 


And while they talk about “muh Jim Crowe” from 60 years ago, you’ll virtually never hear about how >70% of black kids are born out of wedlock, how disproportionate crime rates push all investment out of their cities, how dropping out of high school will negatively impact your future wealth.

First off minimizing the impact of horrifically racist Jim Crow laws by saying "muh Jim Crow" as if it's not significant is really childish and speaks volumes. Secondly you can't deny the existence of Jim Crow nor the impact of Jim Crow, which is why you are bringing up the fallacious red herring of other things you find to be problematic. They may be significant and problematic as well,  but that doesn't mean Jim Crow wasn't. 

Thirdly you're just flat out wrong again because all of those things are factored into analysis about crimes and livelihoods among people living in inner cities.  No one denies that fatherlessness factors into crimes nor that most crime occurs among certain communities. I'm guessing you are completely unaware and ignorant to the mountains of research on those very topics, but yes, they exist and they are talked about quite a bit.
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Sovereign nations have federal immigration laws lol. Hence the supremacy clause which states that federal law > state law if they conflict.

I never said that the states have to enforce immigration laws. I said that California wasn’t cooperating with ICE in reference to liberals wanting to keep criminal aliens in the country.

Btw, SCOTUS doesn’t hear most cases sent to them tee hee
The only reason you said "lol" after pointing out that sovereign nations have immigration laws (which I've obviously never denied) is because I made you look silly regarding your ignorance of the 10th amendment. 

Your exact words were: "No, immigration law is federal in nature. I see you try to play the federalism card when convenient, even though it doesn’t apply." Then I explained exactly why my point about state's rights does apply, which is because this issue got brought up to the Supreme Court and they ruled that California didn't have to comply with the feds contrary to the position you keep taking. 

I have no idea why you mentioned SCOTUS doesn't hear most cases "tee hee" because that has nothing to do with... anything.

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There are these cool news things called “hunting” and “shooting targets for fun”. You should check them out.

Lol you think this is a "gotcha" moment but it's actually funny.  You have to KILL to hunt, correct? So the purpose of guns for hunting is to kill. Thanks for reiterating that. And yes you can shoot at targets for fun, but the purpose of guns is to kill so much so in fact that if the gun was faulty and not capable of killing, it would be considered a design defect + design failure. 

But it is clear you want to run gun manufacturers out of business because they can’t afford to fight thousands of frivolous lawsuits
That is 100% false. I am a gun enthusiast. I own several guns and would have more if my state allowed it. My wedding cake literally had guns all over it.

Taking OxyContin to get high isn’t a right. Owning a gun for self defense? Yeah, that is. 
You keep repeating the same irrelevant thing. You have a right to own a gun, but you have no right to have a gun made and sold to you. The constitution says nothing of the sort.  If a gun manufacturer didn't want to manufacture guns any more and decided to shut down along with all other manufacturers, and you didn't know how to make a gun yourself, then guess what? YOU HAVE NO GUN and your "right" to it means nothing. Distributors have a right to discriminate who they sell to so long as it does not fall within a protected class. 

Again you can disagree about what I'm proposing, but you clearly don't understand what I'm talking about. You should think more about it first before forming an opinion. It might actually be something you agree with considering it acknowledges the government has no right to stop you from self defense.  I know you hyperpartisans obsessed with taking down the lefties are incapable of thinking without shouting at "the other side" though. 


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 I didn't read my role correctly lol womp womp.

That's fine. I messed up last game missing you claimed PGO.

My wedding cake literally had guns all over it.

PGO irl!
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Ok shh brb I'm on a roll <3 
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@Danielle
haha, I'll let you get back to your sniping.
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When I'm done I'll show you a picture of the cake :) 
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My brother in law has all sorts of semi-legal firearms. He also collects WWII stuff. I let him worry about the next apocalypse so I don't have to :)

I think my fascination with guns ended the day I tore a rabbit in half with a shotgun trying to protect my ex-wife's father's garden.
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Depends on how you define assimilation. English proficiency doesn’t look too hot.

Plenty of areas in the Southwest US where you need to speak Spanish to communicate with people. They have ethnic enclaves.

That is for the very obvious reason that those immigrants are brand new. New migrants won't understand English, but there is absolutely  no evidence to suggest that Hispanics en masse refuse to learn. In fact data says the opposite with more Hispanics than ever now speaking English in the U.S. There is no reason to believe that.

As far as immigration goes, I have mixed feelings. The capitalist (and almost dead but still hanging on libertarian) in me is very pro immigration and property rights. If a business owner wants to provide a job or rent his property to someone from Guatemala, who am I to stop him? Why should government interfere with peaceful commerce? On the other hand I do acknowledge government has a role and arguably a responsibility at regulating commerce for the good of its citizens -- that's how property rights are allowed to exist in the first place. So I am not some close minded nitwit who parrots talking points from the far left. I just so happen to believe immigration is a net positive per my own experience growing up surrounded by them in NYC, and being the daughter of an immigrant myself. I have bias but unlike most people I am very open to persuasion. 

My partner has an interesting take on the immigration problem that maybe I'll get around to explaining later if I feel up to it. 
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But I was saying that the party is too far left socially for my liking. Honestly they can’t get much further left in that respect. 

The social politics are the main thing I like about the Dems lol. What exactly don't you like? I agree the country will get more progressive on some things but I'm not sure any of them are bad. I do disagree with socialism in most ways, but I'd expect us to become more like Europe with expanded social programs than adopt socialist policies. 

I disagree that there has been no backlash among people for transitioning children. I think it's a very controversial topic with good reason. I don't even think it's legal to do in some states, but where it is legal it does require a lot of psychological evaluation from what I understand. Most people don't think you should be able to change your body or anything like that until adulthood or at least until after puberty. However I can understand the argument for embracing a gender confused or transgender child. It can have a significant impact on their mental health. The reason so many trans (and LGBT people generally) have issues with depression, suicide, drugs and homelessness is because of the helplessness and rejection they feel. Acceptance and tolerance does have a big impact. There is obviously nothing wrong with being gay, so a party that embraces people and champions their rights and equality wins some points in my book. I think this is an interesting topic with no clear right or wrong insofar as the science and psychology, but I do know it's moral to treat people with kindness and respect. 


MeToo was criticized because they were publicizing stories that got people fired for very serious and oftentimes unprovable accusations.

The irony is that the boogeyman of trans men going into women's restrooms to rape them is a completely fabricated and utterly made up thing. Stopping people from using the bathroom of their choice does nothing, I repeat, NOTHING to stop little girls from being molested. Nothing. Right now if I saw a man enter the woman's room I would probably be weirded out because it's uncommon, but so long as they didn't harass or assault me or others I would leave them alone. The idea that men would go into PUBLIC RESTROOMS to rape is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard lol most rapes are date rapes and most molestations of little kids occur from family members, family friends and other trusted adults like god damned priests and boy scout leaders. Not trans men in bathrooms. 

As I said most trans people who use the opposite sex bathroom present as the opposite sex. I GUARANTEE if you saw a few trans people I know that are all buff with beards, you would be completely freaked out if you saw *them* leave the bathroom with a little girl. Of course they're among the most kind and gentle people I know but I digress.

As for your gun signs, I’m sure you support no-gun zones
Wrong again. You're like 0 for 5 in trying to assess me lol womp womp. Your little quip about "teens and arson" was similarly off the mark. You're just salty because I said migrants built the country and you responded NO PIONEERS BUILT IT and I pointed out that pioneers are migrants so you felt embarrassed lol. It's okay. We all make silly mistakes. I'm not trying to make you feel dumb -- I'm trying to make you see that your loathing the left so hard is more so comical than it is justified. They're not that bad. The GOP has the alt-right and QAnon so I mean ya can't win em all. 
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Okay I'm finished but I gotta get back to work for a bit. You never answered about Live Mafia tonight. 

I had a slight interest in preparing for the apocalypse, but realized any type of meaningful preparation would be way too expensive. Some people have like entire bomb shelters stocked with food and guns for a decade. I have like... a closet with some canned beans and a handgun. My father in law has some rifles in PA I have access to, but meh. 

I'm pretty sure if the shit hits the fan I'm just gonna die on an incredibly densely populated island surrounded by water and savage people anyway lol. Oh well. 
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@Danielle
Damn you're so lucky to have such fun experiences.
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Oops I accidentally deleted the post when I went to edit a misspelling. It's just as well. 

My wedding was fun :) There was a photo booth against a mug shot backdrop with a sign people could hold  saying "I knew the cops would show up to Danielle's wedding." 
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It's fine, I got to see it.
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@Danielle
the U.S. is a nation built by immigrants. [...] immigrants made it thrive throughout the Industrial Revolution. The country has always been a melting pot with more immigration than anywhere else in the world since this country's inception.
The purpose of immigration policy, as with any other government policy, should be to serve the interests of Americans. Just because we did it before doesn't mean we should do it again. When the facts change, you change your mind, but the purpose should not change. It's too bad that politicians in both parties have sold out American workers for the sake of latino votes. I wish American workers had greater class consciousness, rather than being divided by the racial demagoguery endemic to American politics. Should be fighting the class war rather than the race war.
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People have different views on the proper role of government. Some don't think the government has any business regulating who I decide to employ or hire for my business. I understand your opinion that immigration ought to be restricted, but in the quote you're replying to I wasn't advocating for miss immigration. I was explaining why the idea that we were ever a unified and homogenous nation is incorrect (we tend to be the most unified during war time with other nations). We have always been a country of immigrants which you seem to acknowledge. Even when immigration was restricted and we had less partisanship, I dispute the idea that there was ever one right way or one correct way to be an American. He's trying to say that "real Americanism" = conservative values + European descendants which is just his biased and  racist opinion.  
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It's fine, I got to see it.

Cool. Well suffice it to say,  I <3 guns. ARE YOU PLAYING LIVE MAFIA TONIGHT?
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Are you going to pull that card again? Because I am weak to suggestions :(
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@Danielle
We have always been a country of immigrants which you seem to acknowledge. Even when immigration was restricted and we had less partisanship, I dispute the idea that there was ever one right way or one correct way to be an American.
If our immigration policy is guided by American interests then this fact is irrelevant. The fact is relevant if we are seeking to establish the boundaries of out community - Who our people are and who we should be taking care of.

But our community is a legally defined one. You are an American or you are not an American. That is it. Those are our people. If you’re not that, then you’re not one of us. It’s that simple. (except for the wrinkle of people who are US nationals but not citizens I don’t know how to think about them)

He's trying to say that "real Americanism" = conservative values + European descendants which is just his biased and  racist opinion.  
To the extent to which his position departs from the one I outlined above, I disagree with him. A lot of people experience fidelity based on their ancestry. This is something we may feel but it is inappropriate to act on those feelings in matters of public policy. To do so is a betrayal IMO, and one that has happened all too often and continues to happen.

I do have feelings like his as well. I’m colonial English white and directly descended from people who fought in the American revolution. Some would say that’s about as American as you can get, but I don’t see it that way at all. For purposes of public policy, I’m just as American as the baby of a communist Chinese mother who flew to Guam for birth tourism.

Things are better if people see it the way I do. It is a unifying approach. The most important question we have to ask when faced with any immigration or foreign policy question becomes “What’s in it for us?”

There is an impact of race and culture in immigration that is controversial, and it’s this - People prefer to live among people who look and think like they do. When we have what we have - Essentially an ethnically diverse society - The race and ethnicity of an immigrant will be seen more positively by the domestic racial/ethnic group which shares the identity of the immigrant, and less positively by the domestic racial/ethnic groups which do not.

Well, that’s something that’s going to pit us against one another. We shouldn’t just charge them with bigotry or racism. If they were that, then most everyone in America must be just that by looking at which neighborhoods they choose to live in. People autosegregate hardcore. The fact is undeniable by looking at Eric Fischer’s maps on flickr. If the standard is preferring to live among your own racial/ethnic identity then perhaps America’s full of bigots and racists. So be it.

What’s the solution then? I do not know, but I do know that the status quo is not it. It’s not an issue that should be brushed under the rug or beat down with insults or shame. Something fair and transparent which appreciates and addresses the issue with an eye toward ensuring social stability. No tricks, and no groups attempting to take advantage of the situation at the expense of the other groups. Honor, fairness, and loyalty is the way~
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If the standard is preferring to live among your own racial/ethnic identity then perhaps America’s full of bigots and racists. So be it.
Preferring to live among people who are similar to you does not make you a bigot or a racist. You are a racist if you believe one race is inherently superior to another. In this case, bmdrocks21 was saying white people are more likely to assimilate to the U.S. which is not true. He said racism is a non-existent "boogeyman" which is not true. He said black people and liberals blame white people for "every bad thing" that happens to black people which is not true. And, like I said he argued that the U.S. was once a homogenous nation which is not true.

I do believe he is a bigot and a racist because he has been callous about racism, mocked Jim Crow, and said that only his white, conservative presumably Judeo Christian worldview is what "real America" looks like. He also seems to be anti LGBT. But again I don't think preferring to be among likeminded people makes you a bad person. Intolerance and discrimination does. I agree with you that humans have a tendency to flock toward their own (even though I live in an incredibly diverse place with all different kinds of people who get along just fine) and I agree with you that someone whose ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War are no more American than a newly ordained citizen. If communities of similar people spring up, cool, but one of them is not any more inherently "more American" than another based on something like race or ethnicity. 
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white people are more likely to assimilate to the U.S. which is not true.

White Russians definitely would have a much harder time than any colored British or Canadians.
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It would largely depend upon how much money White Russians had.....Money can buy you lots of admirers.....This is how cynical human beings really are.
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There are so many movies and other pop culture references about kids of immigrant parents who upset them for ditching the old country's traditions. The Big Sick and Blinded By the Light are two off the top of my head that just won awards in the last few years. Fresh Off the Boat, Never Have I Ever, Ramy and  Kim's Convenience are TV shows basically about the same thing, and they're all about Asian or brown people. It's a very popular experience that every immigrant goes through. Virtually everyone assimilates. The idea that you have to be or should be white to be a real American is just racist.  I shouldn't be the only person to realize or call that out either. 

Btw this is exactly why Trump's "go back to where you came from" rhetoric to 4 brown Congressman was so disgustingly racist and inappropriate. When he criticizes or talks about how he wants to change America, it's because he wants to make it GREAT AGAIN -- whereas brown people don't have a right to speak about wanting to change America (even people born in America)? Fuck him. Hope the door hits him on the way out. And fuck all the racist people and people who can't be bothered to call out racists. Shame on you. 
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In addition to broadcasting their overt racism, the 'elites' at CNN insulted their own viewership by insinuating they didn't have the knowledge of a basic high school education.  Even better, by implying that socialism is more American than melanin, they disrespected every naturalized Citizen who answered the question, "What is the economic system in the United States?". 


Classic example of why half of Trump's supporters love the movement to make America great again.  Viva la Covfefe!




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I love how Jim Acosta has the belief that only white people can speak English.


I also love how every fucking leftard corporate media sycophant takes every correlation between any observation or incident with skin color and lazily labels it as racial or racism. Even among fellow sycophants...it's this regressive lazy thinking that typifies a mouthbreathing MSM watcher.
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Also, Nations are not "races"

Mexico is NOT a race.

America is not a race.

Islam, Christianity, and the Jewish religion are not races.
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I’ve read a lot of his stuff. It usually comes across more like some rabble roused racial tribalism than full on racist bigotry like mgtowdemon. Maybe it’s the exhausting day and 2 hours of floor sleep I got, but I just don’t have any passion about it.
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I agree with her that a good portion of the country are deplorable (or rather hold deplorable political values), and I acknowledge that her saying so publicly was a horrible campaign decision that she paid the price for.