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@drafterman
You called him town though and there's no denying you did it
The Stand Mafia Day Phase 2
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@ILikePie5
"Why are we VTL'ing Elm with only 30 posts in DP1 and barely anything this game."
I said I thought there was two but whiteflame never did. Drafter changed avatar but his old avatar and the female and cartoon have the same skintone in the picture.
Even so, VTL'ing Elm without reason wasn't smart until he explained it, which is still false.
You can literally point all you want to that point, never did I explicitly say that VTNL'ing is good. I will now continue to work on my story
Tomorrow, 12/8/20 is not gonna be an active day. It's the 1yr anniversary of Juice WRLD's death, and a lot of people know how I feel about this
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@Speedrace
Woof woofCan the inactives pop in please
Bark bark bark!
Read the last three pages. Any role claims or analysis posts before that?
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@Barney
Nothing too fancy before that. Not a lot during that, either - mainly just arguments between Supa, Draft and Pie about who is more sus between Elm and Draft. Only claims so far have been Pie as Larry Underwood/Miller and Speed as Kojak/Vanilla.
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@Speedrace
Can the inactives pop in please
The day phase started at 6:58. I'm inactive cuz I hadn't signed on by 9:43? Ya'll are cray cray but anyway I g2g read 8 pages in between work calls. I'll make a post ASAP which I assume will be within the next 15 mins - 3 hours depending on how my morning goes. BRB!
I'm learning toward VTNL but def not gonna rush it.
Chris and Ragnar haven't said anything. We'll have no idea how to read and vote in later day phases if there's nothing to defer to. I'd scum read Chris' activity except for the fact that he played the same way in the last few games with him and he was town every time. He needs to make a post or else he's nothing but a liability.
Speaking of liabilities, Parrot played like a piece of shit. Not like shit, cuz that would only refer to his game play being shit, but a piece of shit as in he as a person was being shitty cuz he intentionally hurt his team for no reason. Not sure how I'm going to vtl Pie first in each game with so many people playing like children who missed their nap time.
Pie is actually the only one in my town pile which is why I'm leaning toward NL right now. There are 3-4 scum among 9. Usually I'd like those odds to lynch cuz even if we chose blindly we're statistically likely to hit scum, but I don't have enough faith in any reads right atm. First off I've repeatedly said I can't read Pie (I just so happen to agree with his analysis in this game) and secondly he claimed Miller after 8 players had already posted. Then again his willingness to be policy lynched felt town and so did his inquisition of certain players. I agree with him that Supa's temperament seems sus af so I'm probs gonna vote to lynch Supa for a claim.
Re: Mikal, I agree with drafter that the rage seems a lil fake cuz he did it again for no reason, but I wouldn't be surprised if Mikal and drafter were working together (who knows!) creating fake tension. Then again Supa turning on drafter and going after him felt a bit phony too so I dunno but behaviorally I don't trust him and want his claim. I feel like getting a claim from Supa is absolutely the best course of action and it seems like a lot of others are being rubbed the wrong way as well. I don't buy his reason for inactivity either. I honestly scum read that as lazily trying to hope the DP just ends and/or town implodes on itself while he's away.
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@Danielle
Re: Mikal, I agree with drafter that the rage seems a lil fake cuz he did it again for no reason, but I wouldn't be surprised if Mikal and drafter were working together (who knows!) creating fake tension.
So either I'm Town and I'm right (and Mikal is scum) or we're both scum (and Mikal is scum).
So you've concluded that Mikal is scum either way. Yet you'd prefer a No Lynch?
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@Danielle
@ILikePie5
Since there is 2 people on me, and because of the fact my role is useless, I'll just claim
Whitney Horgan. I'm one of the kinder individual and end up doing the right thing which leads to my death. I'm Vanilla.
Only claiming now because I'm not a Power Role
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@Danielle
Then again Supa turning on drafter and going after him felt a bit phony too so I dunno but behaviorally I don't trust him and want his claim. I feel like getting a claim from Supa is absolutely the best course of action and it seems like a lot of others are being rubbed the wrong way as well. I don't buy his reason for inactivity either.
I've been active this entire DP directly talking to Pie and drafter and have been one of the more active players. Are you talking about the breaks I took to work on a project when there was no activity? Or when I said today will not be the best day for me. If it's the latter, most people on the site will probs understand why today is not a good day (as you can tell from my profile picture).
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@Vader
I thought everyone was in agreement that unless really forced, claiming not a power role is a bad thing since it narrows down who therefore is a power role?
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@Barney
Dude, no one is in agreement over anything in Mafia.
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@Barney
Don't feel in the mood to be put at L-1 for a claim, claim Vanilla, then get lynched over it like in live mafia
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@drafterman
So you've concluded that Mikal is scum either way. Yet you'd prefer a No Lynch?
No. I said I'm leaning toward a No Lynch, not that I'm definitely voting No Lynch. That's why I said I'm not rushing the day phase. And I said "the rage seems a lil fake" but that doesn't necessarily mean he is scum. I do happen to have him more in my lean scum pile based on what little behavioral reads we have to go on. Now that we have Supa's claim I'll think about whether I want to pressure Elminster for a claim.
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@Vader
How close to V-1 were you?
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@Danielle
No. I said I'm leaning toward a No Lynch, not that I'm definitely voting No Lynch. That's why I said I'm not rushing the day phase. And I said "the rage seems a lil fake" but that doesn't necessarily mean he is scum. I do happen to have him more in my lean scum pile based on what little behavioral reads we have to go on. Now that we have Supa's claim I'll think about whether I want to pressure Elminster for a claim.
When I say you'd "prefer a No lynch" I mean "you are leaning toward a No lynch." I believe that if you have even the faintest whiff of scum read on someone, then that takes precedence over not lynching anyone.
That is to say, if you lean scum on someone, then you shouldn't be leaning toward a no lynch, you should be leaning toward lynching the person you lean scum on.
Dashboard Claim Role Notable Analysis'
Supadudz Whitney Horgan Vanilla
iLikePie5 ??? Miller #27
Danielle ??? ??? #188
Misterchris ??? ???
Whiteflame ??? ???
Elminster ??? ???
Speedrace Kojak Vanilla
Drafterman ??? ???
Ragnar ??? ???
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Greyparrot Trashcan Man Bomb #36
That1user Tom Cullen Soldier
Warren42 Glenn Batemen Friendly neighbor #34
The order is literally just a copy/paste right now. Other people may of course mess with this (particularly to add missing claims and analysis links), and going forward I'll try use whichever is most recent.
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@ILikePie5
What was your character claim?
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@Barney
Not close, only 2 votes, but I'd rather claim now to clear up my status versus claiming when at L-1 as Vanilla only to be lynched
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@drafterman
I believe that if you have even the faintest whiff of scum read on someone, then that takes precedence over not lynching anyone.
Dude, no one is in agreement over anything in Mafia.
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@Danielle
Fair enough, but I'd be interested in the reasoning on why you would lean no lynch when you lean scum on someone. What's the hestitation?
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@Danielle
I don't usually get temperamental unless something is done repeatedly. It isn't a scum trait because if someone is making the same point without understanding your point, I'm gonna be pissed off. It's just that I don't think anyone besides Luna and others have seen me put a full temper in mafia game. I don't do it much because I don't feel the need to, but yes I am being aggressive at Pie because he's failing to understand why I'm voting drafterman and why he's contradicting his own logic
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@Vader
FWIW, the last time I made a big stink about accepting Miller claims I was maf (Lunatic's Dark Crystal Mafia) ;)
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@drafterman
That means very little to me because of the fact it's been over a year since that game and many things can change. You could also being saying this to throw me off. I don't take those statements into consideration unless it's consistent
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@Vader
Well, either it means so much do you you're going to scum read me for it because my position inconsistent with it, or it's not important to you meaning you have no reason to scum read me.
Which is it?
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@drafterman
Well you said it, and I recall someone saying it recently too and I'm like 85% sure it was you. Either way, it's inconsistent. There also wasn't enough evidence with Pie to suggest you buying him as town. Even so, it's a sharp contrast from that game, you might be bringing it up so you can use that to fuel your story about it. I don't doubt that you're smart person, and you could be playing this card as scum to try to convince me otherwise
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@Vader
Well you said it,
Yes, but you're saying that it was a year ago so that doesn't count anymore because, as YOU said, "many things can change." So can many things change or can't they?
and I recall someone saying it recently too and I'm like 85% sure it was you.
No, Lunatic's game was the last game I opined on the subject.
Either way, it's inconsistent.
Yes, in one of those ways, I'm being inconsistent with a position I stated while in a game a year ago as scum, and in the other way I'm inconsistent with some person that may or may not be me that may or may not have said something about the subject "recently."
There also wasn't enough evidence with Pie to suggest you buying him as town.
Please outline the objective criteria for buying someone as town in this game.
Even so, it's a sharp contrast from that game,
Yes it is. But either it matters, in which case you need to factor in the fact that I was scum when I said that, or it doesn't matter, in which case it doesn't matter.
you might be bringing it up so you can use that to fuel your story about it. I don't doubt that you're smart person, and you could be playing this card as scum to try to convince me otherwise
Imagine if you put this much effort into reasoning Elminster as scum.
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@drafterman
I didn't feel strongly enough on any reads to take the risk based on the MYLO/LYLO situation (at least I didn't then -- I'm about to make a case against Supa). I think if Elminster promised to play to his win con but then flaked out the second a slight disagreement came up, he's prob faking, and I'd def lynch him if he refused to claim. But at the same time if we're close to losing per 1 mislynch I'd prefer to play cautious. Regardless I never committed to No Lynching so no need to nitpick for no reason.
Back to Supa. I didn't want to look into characters too much (in fact I didn't even read the dead character flips) JUST IN CASE I ever wanna read the book which I doubt but you never know. However I couldn't help but look up Supa's character which is a fucking bad guy lol. Whitney Horgan is a villain, and apparently he only wants to desert the other bad guys because shit has already gone bad. That's literally what Reddit says and notes it's not an admirable reason to desert his fellow bad guys. So although I hate to go by theme analysis alone I really think Supa might be lone wolf scum or scum of some kind. Ya'll are more than welcome to look up his character.
Note I'm not going based on theme analysis alone here but also behavior. He's playing a bit more aggressive like he does as scum. Look at post #191 where he seems to think I was calling him inactive this day phase (I wasn't; I said I didn't buy his reason for allegedly being active today 12/8). I mean I'm not entirely sure how to read claiming vanilla with only 2 votes and could see an argument either way, but coupled with his seemingly defensive behavior and that super sus character claim I feel very wary of him.
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@Vader
And don't forget, the whole reason I had to explain this to you was because you couldn't understand what Pie was doing.