The Stand Mafia Day Phase 2

Pie asks Drafter for thoughts on his claim, which I think is weird for him to do.

Drafter says he buys it

Pie says that he did to test him, Drafter agrees despite not being in Pie's shoes

Drafter says he doesn't like blindly believing millers, puts Pie in his town pile

Drafter says that the last time he's said anything about Millers was Dark Crystal.

He changes he belief on Miller, yet he went AWOL from the site for 8months before returning, only to change his mind up.

Drafter votes Elm 

Reasoning is because Mikal is being aggressive 

Reads Pie as town and just tunnels Mikal

Disagree fully with this for all the reasons I told drafter. 

Christ man, not you as well 

 He's definitely more involved this round than I think I've ever seen him

What makes you think scum couldn’t do that? It’s literally likely that we have a CC tomorrow if a cop does exist and at that point we have no room for error

The difference is there will be a lot more information out. Look at the roles that are dead and look at the flips. Mafia can't cc every role. More information betters the chance of accuracy on the lynch. 

wdym "scum couldn't do that"?

The interaction part is where I see the most red flags. Why is Pie pointing out something drafterman said a year ago and looking at him to test his reaction? How does he know what drafterman is thinking at the time this is going. What would be the motive for Pie to focus in on something from a year ago just to ask for Drafter's opinion on something. To me, it doesn't add up in anyway. The only reason that post would've been brought up if drafter told Pie about the post, which leads me to believe they have some form of communication with each other. Drafter even says it wasn't recently where he said Miller claims. Why would Pie remember this info at all? These don't add in anyway

Usually, I would be posting quite a bit more, but it seems as though there's a few tiffs being worked out in the posts here that I'd rather not get involved with. That being said, I'll at least provide my two cents on what's happened so far.

The interaction part is where I see the most red flags. Why is Pie pointing out something drafterman said a year ago and looking at him to test his reaction? How does he know what drafterman is thinking at the time this is going. What would be the motive for Pie to focus in on something from a year ago just to ask for Drafter's opinion on something. To me, it doesn't add up in anyway. The only reason that post would've been brought up if drafter told Pie about the post, which leads me to believe they have some form of communication with each other. Drafter even says it wasn't recently where he said Miller claims. Why would Pie remember this info at all? These don't add in anyway

Tunneling on one person when there's no concrete evidence of whether or not he's scum is extremely rash and reactionary versus him last game, where while he voted Water, he was much more cautious of his vote versus now, where he is voting Elm off of less information. Water had bad plays and sus moves constantly, and it didn't take Drafter til page 6 to vote him, where he didn't even go through with the vote because of Elm. This tunneling where he disregards the case on Pie and only focuses on one character is anti town, and anti town is usually scum. I maintained the position that bad town and anti town are different in various definitions and regards. The fact he is willing to throw Pie in the pile after he did not claim Dp1 in the time he had. He isn't considering any options, versus town drafter, where in the last game, he considered Elm an option as well. Why isn't he doing the same here

I've made a big case about this but drafter left the site in March this year. He then states his belief of Millers are confirmed town because of the site and shouldn't be trusted. Yet  when he left the site and came back, he is now suddenly changing his opinion on claimed Millers, even when they don't claim right away?

What changed about his behavior since? He didn't participate in any mafia games during this time? He rage quit another mafia game,

why is he suddenly having this drastic change of heart? To me, his reads are not consistent of his play. Drafter is not someone to change based on a meta or belief or wave, yet he decides to drastically change the style he preached. It's out of character, and would coorelate with drafter forcing a potential mislynch on Elm and then when it's MYLO, he goes an attacks me for being aggressive and gets enough of town validation to get a mislynch since it is the funny trend to hate on Supa and just push the narrative that Supa is an idiot and should be lynched cuz idiots are scummy.

The bickering is just stupid so far.

I also agree that drafter seems to scumread Elm for personal reasons and his tunneling of him is not helpful. I don't remember ever seeing him as scum tho so I don't know his meta as scum

Let's take what you are saying and there are going to be "ccs". That will happen even if lynch and get it wrong. The difference is we still have to solve tomorrow with the same thing happening and be correct or lose 

I frankly don’t care about those two. I’m voting to lynch Supa today. I’ll take the 33% and 43% and putting people on the record today about their votes than let scum choose the two people to NK

Please don't take this to offense, but you did not fucking invent policy lynching Millers

Please don't take this to offense, but you did not fucking invent policy lynching Millers

We have cop + whatever other possible investigative roles and a solid POE to use that on, plus scum could hit a possible protective role. I think it's much safer to get those results than to possibly lynch town