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@3RU7AL

CONCEPTS =/= OBJECTS

I know and did not say they were.

You have no way of verifying my statement.

This makes it INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM OPINION.

The statement is still either true or false. Our "knowing" has no bearing on reality. That is one of the uses of logic, to find out what is real even when we cannot perceive it.

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@ethang5

The statement is still either true or false. Our "knowing" has no bearing on reality. That is one of the uses of logic, to find out what is real even when we cannot perceive it.

UNVERIFIABLE "FACT" IS INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM OPINION.

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@3RU7AL

UNVERIFIABLE "FACT" IS INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM OPINION.

In the dark red is indistinguishable from blue, but that doesn't make red blue, or not red. Our ability to distinguish does not affect reality. This is a simple truism that you should be able to grasp easily.

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@ethang5

Is the following statement "fact" or "opinion"?

"Your DebateArt.com user-icon is 2 centimeters square on my computer screen."

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@zedvictor4

No....Facts and opinions are both internal data constructs, which we make in response to observations of external reality. When sensory mechanisms detect an external stimulus, all processes are internal....Stuff doesn't float around out there, with fact and opinion stickers attached.

First, I view data along the lines of facts, so no opinions isn’t data. Second we don’t make facts they’re above and beyond us (your giving humans way too much credit there).

Yep it's an internal data and systems management unit or device....Organic rather than mechanical.

You’re sure that’s the case for everybody’s brain?

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@3RU7AL

Do you have a rebuttal to my last point?

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@3RU7AL

Is the following statement "fact" or "opinion"?

"Your DebateArt.com user-icon is 2 centimeters square on my computer screen."

You still aren't getting it. Never mind, some people aren't intellectually equiped to get it.

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@Tarik

1. No human, no brain, no fact....Only stuff

2. Unless you know differently.

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@zedvictor4

Prove it and yes I do.

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@Tarik

"Prove it" ......Ask a dead man.

And Typical Tarik...."And yes I do"...But no explanation.

So who is different to "everybody" else.....And how does their data and systems management work?

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@zedvictor4

Ask a dead man.

The dead man is dead, that’s a fact for you.

And Typical Tarik...."And yes I do"...But no explanation.

Explanation is on your part, what data and systems could someone with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis manage?

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@ethang5

Is the following statement "fact" or "opinion"?

"Your DebateArt.com user-icon is 2 centimeters square on my computer screen."

(IFF) you can't verify a claim (THEN) that claim CANNOT be considered a FACT.

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@Tarik

Not true, facts existed before knowledge and opinions have nothing to do with knowledge,

BINGO.

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@Tarik

First, I view data along the lines of facts,

So, in your ONTOLOGY, data and facts are the same thing?

so no opinions isn’t data.

You could have mentioned this earlier.

Second we don’t make facts they’re above and beyond us (your giving humans way too much credit there).

How do you know which claims are FACTUAL and which are merely SPECULATIVE OPINIONS?

You’re sure that’s the case for everybody’s brain?

What's your hypothesis?

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@3RU7AL

That wasn’t for you, what’s your retort to this argument?

Well whoever or whatever created it, proves that an objective reality is beyond what your human eye can see.

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@Tarik

“Well whoever or whatever created it, proves that an objective reality is beyond what your human eye can see.”

NOUMENON IS A LOGICAL-NECESSITY.

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@3RU7AL

Therefore it’s objective.

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@Tarik

Therefore it’s objective.

AND UNDETECTABLE AND UNKNOWABLE.

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@3RU7AL

So what? That’s not always the case with objective facts.

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@Tarik

1. Well it was a hypothetical situation, so therefore not factual....

2. If they are alive systems are still functioning.

And degenerative disorders are degenerative disorders....That's a hard fact for the sufferer.....And a ridiculously poor explanation.

You seem to have run out of steam, trying to stretch this argument out.

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@Tarik

Is the following statement "fact" or "opinion"?

"Your DebateArt.com user-icon is 2 centimeters square on my computer screen."

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@zedvictor4

Well it was a hypothetical situation, so therefore not factual....

... Doesn’t change a thing dead men are dead that’s still a fact.

If they are alive systems are still functioning.

Them being alive isn’t the narrative, the narrative is them managing data, so pretell the data they’re able to manage, they can hardly manage themselves.

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@3RU7AL

Is the following statement "fact" or "opinion"?

"Your DebateArt.com user-icon is 2 centimeters square on my computer screen."

What’s the point of asking me this, how does this address my argument?

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@Tarik

Is the following statement "fact" or "opinion"?

"Your DebateArt.com user-icon is 2 centimeters square on my computer screen."
What’s the point of asking me this, how does this address my argument?

I'm trying to figure out how you distinguish FACT from OPINION.

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@Tarik

Not a dead man's fact though.

If a system is functioning it's functioning..... Maybe not at 100% capacity......And M.N.D. Primarily affect muscular function anyway, leaving data management fairly intact.

It's a poor argument Tarik.

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@3RU7AL

How do you distinguish it? Because I agree with the dictionary.

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Not a dead man's fact though.

Facts aren’t property no one owns facts, not dead men not anybody.

If a system is functioning it's functioning..... Maybe not at 100% capacity......And M.N.D. Primarily affect muscular function anyway, leaving data management fairly intact.

What data are you managing? It’s not an argument it’s a question zedvictor4.

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@Tarik

How do you distinguish it? Because I agree with the dictionary.

There is no dictionary that supports your assertion that FACTS "existed" before humans.

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@3RU7AL

There is no dictionary that supports your assertion that FACTS "existed" before humans.

Correction there’s no dictionary that mentions humans in the definition of fact.

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