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    The liberal snowflakes have taken over. They love censorship, but only if it's a conservative.
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    I believe the 1A contains an unwritten sub-text: We have the right to be offended, but censure is not how that offense taken is properly resolved
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    Is Trump's twitter ever coming back? I miss him 😭
  • fauxlaw
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    "Only the hand that erases can write the true thing." - Meister Eckhart

    Too bad that today, the only erasers [counter culturers] are illiterate and afraid of any words at all.
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    It was a euphemism.
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    I didn't have you down as a Hard Right Conservative.....You really are a mixed bag.
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    I am only sort of. I really am a mixed bag. I have some very conservative views, like I am against abortion and for closed borders. But I also have some liberal views, such as rights for gays and transgender people, which only came about after having gay and transgender children. I am learning.
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    Right and left extremes are one and the same really.

    I would suggest that you are like me...A core citizen that desires social stability, rather than extreme chaos.

    And every four or five years we are still free to tick a box......Which is a good.
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    But defamatory labelling of people is a personal attack,
    Yes, and a personal attack is an ad hominem attack.

    WHICH IS AN OPINION.

    Just like saying "biden is an idiot" is an OPINION.
    Just like saying "trump is an idiot" is an OPINION.

    Just like saying "all christians are idiots" is an OPINION.
    Just like saying "all muslims are idiots" is an OPINION.
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    Every person has a mix of views.

    No two christians believe exactly the same things.

    No two muslims believe exactly the same things.

    No two "conservatives" believe exactly the same things.

    No two "liberals" believe exactly the same things.
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    ...nsciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will con...
    I am 100% in favor of making ALL LYING ILLEGAL.

    Are you 100% in favor of making ALL LYING ILLEGAL?
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    I'm not sure how that's relevant to this case. In this particular instance of protest, there were bombs, assault, murder, destruction of property, theft, trespassing and death threats. You had congressmen, capitol hill staffers and policemen quivering behind seats.

    I do find it curious that you would not label this as terrorism. Why not?
    Would you call the HONG KONG "PROTESTERS" "TERRORISTS"?
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    You could certainly label the ones who were using unjustifiable intimidation and violence tactics against civilians, sure.
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    You could certainly label the ones who were using unjustifiable intimidation and violence tactics against civilians, sure.
    Do you see any danger whatsoever in jumping from "criminal" to "terrorist"?

    Why is it not perfectly adequate to call these people "criminals"?
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    If they meet the bar for terrorism, then I'm happy to call them terrorists. You could call them criminals, however criminals is a fairly generic term that doesn't really convey what type of offenses have been committed. 

    So I guess my question to you is, do they, or at least some of the protesters meet the bar for domestic terrorism?
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    So I guess my question to you is, do they, or at least some of the protesters meet the bar for domestic terrorism?
    The legal bar is a moving target.

    The logical bar is something completely different.

    DO YOU BELIEVE PEOPLE ACCUSED OF CRIMES SHOULD BE GUARANTEED CIVIL RIGHTS?
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    DO YOU BELIEVE PEOPLE ACCUSED OF CRIMES SHOULD BE GUARANTEED CIVIL RIGHTS?
    Yes, including terrorists.
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    Yes, I am 100% in favor of making ALL LYING ILLEGAL. But there has to a stipulation that the facts are verifiable.
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    I notice the overuse of the word belief.

    It's one of those words that  supposedly says a lot, but establishes precisely, very little...... A bit like "love".

    I think what you meant to say was, people variously  interpret information......And I would wholly agree.


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    DO YOU BELIEVE PEOPLE ACCUSED OF CRIMES SHOULD BE GUARANTEED CIVIL RIGHTS?
    Yes, including terrorists.
    THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A "CRIMINAL" AND A "TERRORIST" IS THAT A "TERRORIST" HAS NO CIVIL RIGHTS.

    THE WORD "TERRORIST" IS USED TO BRAINWASH PEOPLE INTO DISMANTLING OUR CIVIL RIGHTS.
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    It was a euphemism.
    What is the more offensive version of Eckhart's quote?
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    A "TERRORIST" HAS NO CIVIL RIGHTS.

    in the U.S., since when?
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    Sorry....I've lost the thread.

    Would you explain the significance of Meister Eckhart here?
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    The implication of Eckhart's statement is that regardless of subject, truth can only be established when the soul is cleared of all the junk it has acquired, else the risk of contaminating the truth with leftover corruption. He once also said: "A man should be empty of self and all things; and secondly, that he should be reconstructed in the simple good that God is; and thirdly, that he should consider the great aristocracy which God has set up in the soul, such that by means of it man may wonderfully attain to God; and fourthly, of the purity of the divine nature."  The "erasure" is "be empty of self and all things," then follow that by acquisition of "the purity of divine nature," i.e., the truth.
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    Sounds like Buddhist philosophy.