United States House of Representatives Mafia DP1

Again, didn't say nothing happened. I hop on for short periods of time over the course of the day. I provide shit feedback because whenever we start to get into something that looks interesting, it seems to get derailed by a wagon on either Elm or Draft, and whatever consequences spin out from that.

Shockingly, I don't want to add to those wagons and make the problem worse because I see them as problematic beyond the scope of this single game. I also don't think there's enough information on anyone else to push for a lynch, and I'm consistently wary of lynching anyone in DP1 for much the same reason.

 If you think that's lazy, then I guess I can't change your mind, but no, the attitude isn't the reason why town loses games. It's bad in later DPs to not push for a lynch, and I was pretty upset in Bullish's game that we didn't get a lynch in DP2. I think it's also bad in DP1 to push for a lynch with no or next to no information beyond some small behavioral tells. I think that tends to lead to a lot of mislynches.

Unvote drafter 

Something to note. If drafter was scum , would he replace. I think he would be more likely not to because he would feel invested with his scum buddy. 

That leads me to believe he is town, because pie did in fact confirm that he was being replaced to me. 

YOU have the power the re-rail a wagon wherever you see fit. Be a leader, and steer us back if you think we're on the wrong path.

So in your mind the grand solution is to do nothing and just wait for scum to out themselves?

We set the precedent for inactivity in by being inactive in dp1 of bullishes game. No one taking the charge and leading anything, led others to act the exact same way, it was a problem that persisted the entire game, and we as scum let it happen, because why wouldn't we? I'm not gonna let it happen this time though, and if your town you shouldn't either. If you like no lynches dp1, that's fine. Im indifferent to the outcome of a lynch as long as everyone did their part in the day phase and there is plenty of content to read for investigators to sift to. If you don't lynch by the end of the phase that's  fine, but you absolutely shouldn't have reads or have tried to do nothing the phase, and say things like "The whole day phase was bickering" when you could have created an alternative outcome.

Who are they and why aren't you pressuring them then?

Because the only reason I tend to put pressure on people in DP1 is to get information, and at this point, I think we have enough information to be able to interpret what happens in the NP. Until then, I don't think getting more information does anything to further our cause, though it gives scum more known targets.

Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I didn't say there's nothing to behaviorally read into the posts that have gone up, but enough of this has been focused on their infighting that I think it's entirely appropriate to call much of this a pissing match, and I think it's a little odd that you can claim this is 17 pages of grade A content that should afford me every opportunity to pick out scum. It's not.

Normally, when I've done that, it's actually sussed me because I tend to jump on and off of lynches, especially in DP1, on the basis of getting more activity or claims. Activity is above average, and we have more than enough claims. I'm not interested in getting more to interpret what happens in the NP. I've said this several times.

From your post #417: "I asked for reads yesterday and got a nothing post, and earlier today a contradictory fence sitting post." Yes, you did say contradictory. I started off nonplussed (appreciate your use of that term, btw), but I gave an informed decision nonetheless. I've straight up said on multiple occasions that I don't like lynching in DP1, and this is no different, but I provided reasons why I'd still consider it. I wanted to get other insights before voting because if I did vote, I would be seeking to lynch, something I've never committed to in a DP1 for a reason.

YOU have the power the re-rail a wagon wherever you see fit. Be a leader, and steer us back if you think we're on the wrong path.

And we've previously established that I'm shit at doing that. It's one of the major problems with my play. One of these days, that might change. This was not that time.

So in your mind the grand solution is to do nothing and just wait for scum to out themselves?

I don't know how I can clarify this any better than I have. I'm not saying do nothing, I'm saying that we don't push for a lynch until we have the information from the NP to give us some guidance. You believe a lot in behavioral tells, and maybe I should as well, but I don't yet, and I like to be able to see how things actually play out before assuming that someone should be lynched.

Yes, we did set a precedent in that game, and it wasn't good. I contributed to that, as town, and that's a failure on my part. I'm happy to pick up activity in DP2 when we actually have some information to go off of, and frankly, that was the plan

If you don't want to wait for that, then lynch me. I'm honestly just tired of this back and forth, and I'm tired of being defensive. I'm also tired of constantly correcting you when you misquote me, as you've done here as well. If you're unhappy with my play, then that's not going to change because I pointed out why I did it.

I understand that you want to correct for what went so wrong in Bullish's game. I understand that I, like so many others in this game, was part of the problem there. And if you want to punish me for not making changes to my play to improve things, then I guess I'm guilty. Always appreciate the feedback.

• Given pie's political inclination, is the theme split obvious?
  

• Drafter basically full claims
  

• As for who to randomly (read as: whatever BS reason we can come up with) lynch, always up for removing Elminster based on past anti-town behavior, but not much of a wagon on him right now. For the time being, I'll just try and stimulate activity from the quiet ones.
  

• I am 100% on board with the original plan as provided by you, where you are a 1x vig who has guaranteed success unless he is roleblocked.