Economic Marxists are Clowns.

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  • Greyparrot
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    Sorry but it is absolutely ludicrous to say one is either a Marxist or a Right-Wing variant. One can be a Left-Wing Social Democrat who advocates for Social Democracy. That position in itself, the fact it exists and many left-wingers reside within it on the spectrum, means that your linked video and the message portrayed within it is a loaded, deceptive narrative.

    As for Marxism itself, it has some truth but I agree it's impractical. Marx accurately predicted the transitional cycles and way society progresses toward either wing. He was incorrect that communism/hard-socialism was the solution.
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    I agree, but economic Marxists are still clowns.
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    Please present an actual argument against an actual policy.
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    You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization -- including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain -- without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large.

    Your turn.
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    including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain
    Who specifically is suggesting we eliminate these specific things?
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    Please present an actual argument against an actual policy.
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    Who specifically is suggesting we eliminate these specific things?

    Take your pick of the hundreds of Marxist "oppression" peddling groups in Tribal America. There are plenty to choose from.
  • Greyparrot
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    Please present an actual argument against an actual policy.
    Please present an actual objection to anything presented in the video I posted, otherwise I will take your silence or lack of thought as tacit agreement.
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    No. They are most definitely serious when they talk about what they think they know a lot about. Even though what they are saying could be impractical as hell.
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    Videos are as videos do.

    And "Economic Marxists are Clowns" remains an unintelligible statement.


    So why don't you, give us a specific example of an Economic Marxist, and explain in your own words why they are a clown......Rather than rely upon a video.
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    there are radical democrats, but they are a minority. on the other hand, there is a name for radical republicans - libertarians. why does anyone want to take pride in calling themselves radicals? 
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    there are radical democrats, but they are a minority. on the other hand, there is a name for radical republicans - libertarians. why does anyone want to take pride in calling themselves radicals? 

    If holding the government accountable to the people is radical, then the Marxists are already in charge and not a fringe as you claim.

    There are plenty of Republican Marxists like Romney as well in charge.

    Romney just wants to help his 47% Proletariats live the good life of the bour·geoi·sie don't you know.

    The only really cool thing Democrats have done lately with Marxism is having evolved Marxist class oppression dogma into DNA and skin color oppression dogma.

    Have you ever felt like you were in an oppressed class? Trust authority to fix that.
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    Just so you are clear about what Marxism is, it replaces the stratification of social power to only 2 groups. The oligarchs in government and the rest of the idiots that allowed it to happen.
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    Just so you are clear about what Marxism is, it replaces the stratification of social power to only 2 groups. The oligarchs in government and the rest of the idiots that allowed it to happen.
    that is not what marxism is. You, like pretty well every republican, clearly have no idea what the words you use actually mean. They're just buzz words to scare people. 

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    that is not what marxism is. You, like pretty well every republican, clearly have no idea what the words you use actually mean. They're just buzz words to scare people. 

    I am sure that was the proper line in Stalinist Russia. You translated it pretty well into English.
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    Have you ever felt like you were in an oppressed class? Trust authority to fix that.



    "The New Communism matters not because of its intellectual merits but because it may yet influence layers of young Europeans in the context of an exhausted social democracy, austerity and a self-loathing intellectual culture," wrote Johnson. "Tempting as it is, we can't afford to just shake our heads and pass on by."

    That's the fear: that these nasty old left farts such as Žižek, Badiou, Rancière and Eagleton will corrupt the minds of innocent youth. But does reading Marx and Engels's critique of capitalism mean that you thereby take on a worldview responsible for more deaths than the Nazis? Surely there is no straight line from The Communist Manifesto to the Russian gulags, and no reason why young lefties need uncritically to adopt Badiou at his most chilling. In his introduction to a new edition of The Communist Manifesto, Professor Eric Hobsbawm suggests that Marx was right to argue that the "contradictions of a market system based on no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous 'cash payment', a system of exploitation and of 'endless accumulation' can never be overcome: that at some point in a series of transformations and restructurings the development of this essentially destabilizing system will lead to a state of affairs that can no longer be described as capitalism".

    That is post-capitalist society as dreamed of by Marxists. But what would it be like? "It is extremely unlikely that such a 'post-capitalist society' would respond to the traditional models of socialism and still less to the 'really existing' socialisms of the Soviet era," argues Hobsbawm, adding that it will, however, necessarily involve a shift from private appropriation to social management on a global scale led by a few in government oligachies. "What forms it might take and how far it would embody the humanist values of Marx's and Engels's communism, would depend on the political action through which this change came about, but the end result is the same." A world where all political parties unite under one oligarchy.

    This is surely Marxism at its most liberating, suggesting that our futures depend on us and our readiness for struggle. Or as Marx and Engels put it at the end of The Communist Manifesto: "Let the ruling classes tremble at a communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win."

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    Libertarians are not Radical Republicans. Have you ever seen the Political Compass?

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    I don't think n8nrgmi has ever been exposed to a Political Compass before
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    Most Republicans hate Libertarians with a passion.

    Libertarians Oppose the crony Capitalism practiced by both Republicans AND Democrats.

    They also Oppose the Crony Marxism practiced by both parties to join forces to consolidate DC power.
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    Exactly lmao. This has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard
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    Please take the time to look at this political compass. Please tell me how two separate ideologies on two separate sides can be co-exisiting. You can say Bottom Right radicals, but you'll see the same amount of those as a Radical Auth Leftist

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    The problem is that most people are indoctrinated through public state-funded education to believe Authoritarianism is normal, and reducing the Authority of Washington DC is a radical concept.
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    Have you ever felt like you were in an oppressed class? Trust authority to fix that.
    did you think that anything you just posted was relevant to this topic? No one has discusses implementing marxism. You would hard pressed to find many actual marxists. But you don't know that because to you anything that isn't hard right wing must be marxism. It's like looking at a dog that had four legs and say "that's a dog". Then looking at a cat, giraffe, hippo etc and go "look at all those dogs" since they also have 4 legs. 

    You don't seem to understand what Marxism even is. If you think anyone on here has advocated for Marxism, you definitely don't. 

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    I can count hundreds of posts you have made on this site with the word "oppression" in them, particularly used in the context of the rich class vs poor class. Don't pretend you created that theory.