Have you ever tried to speak against prejudice in a redneck neighborhood? #cancelculture

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    Just a thought.
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    Yep, two guys back in high school were threatening me with violence bc I was saying gay marriage should be leaglized. 
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    Yep...
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    Yes actually. I live in the south and have spoken out on multiple occasions. Fortunately, bigots aren't nearly as common in the south anymore as people think. 
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    Would you care to specify which 'south' you refer to?
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    Southern US. I live in East Tennessee, Land of the Redneck
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    And what pray tell did you dare share the thought of?
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    I spoke against some anti-immigrant, blatantly ethnocentric crap in school (i.e. "dem Mexicans shuld stay in their cuntry! They've been stealin our jobs"). I'm anti-illegal immigration but it's very wrong to escalate that belief to being anti-immigrant. 
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    So you spoke about anti-immigration stance in a redneck neighborhood... What a rebel...????
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    Not really. It wasn't like I was at risk or was doing anything particularly noteworthy. I just argued a position counter to theirs. 
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    How is that counter? All rednecks are anti-immigration.
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    Huh? Oh,  I was speaking AGAINST the anti-immigration, sorry if you were confused
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    Yep, two guys back in high school were threatening me with violence bc I was saying gay marriage should be leaglized. 
    Where I'm from, that's more like form of argument (between men) than being "canceled".  You wouldn't have been ostracized for your opinions on something controversial, regardless of your social status.  They would only be disrespected for being a coward, like if you reacted to the prospect of violence with a compromise of you're principles.

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    Saying you are against all illegal immigration isn't a preaching against prejudice unless you focused hard on what they're saying against Mexicans etc.
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    I see. Here in 2021, thugging your opposition into silence via violence is not generally seen as accepting their freedom of speech.
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    Well right. I was focusing on the ethnocentric parts of what they were saying. We were in agreeance on the idea of legal immigration. 
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      Yeah idk what cancel culture is, I was just responding to the question. Usually it was a "debate", but in that instance they threatened violence. Empty threats as usual, but they didn't like hearing ideas that disagreed with what they had been raised to believe. 

      As for ostracizing for opinions, yes that happened often since the norm was fundamentalist Christian. I could go into a whole story, but it's kind of long. In short though, yes it was super easy to be ostracized for not being christian in a public school that gave a "bible verse of the day" over the loud speaker.

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    Okay, you can keep pretending there's no cancel culture on the right wing, whatever suits you.
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    Yep, two guys back in high school were threatening me with violence bc I was saying gay marriage should be leaglized. 
    Where I'm from, that's more like form of argument (between men) than being "canceled".  You wouldn't have been ostracized for your opinions on something controversial, regardless of your social status.  They would only be disrespected for being a coward, like if you reacted to the prospect of violence with a compromise of you're principles.
    I see. Here in 2021, thugging your opposition into silence via violence is not generally seen as accepting their freedom of speech.
    I'm not sure how to explain this, but a scrap between men is a social event, not a political one.  There can be restraint involved, and often a degree of mutual respect.  

    Generally speaking, the instigators of a fight would face some sort of social backlash.  People become less sympathetic to them, and its super unattractive.  

    It's another matter entirely if there was some injustice involving infidelity, which would probably be more rare than in your culture.


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    He was describing a scenario where two guys already were 2v1 and threatening to beat the shit out of him as a homophobic gang if he kept speaking in favour of gay marriage legalisation.

    This is extremely synonymous with the 'pile on the poster' ethos that modern day Internet social media cancel culture entails and conservatives keep acting as if it's one-way and something they never do.
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    At least we agree cancel culture is not a positive thing.
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    The average citizen is gullible and susceptible to peer pressure. Due to this, positive cancel culture is not just possible but a necessary evil to combat disinformation and toxic ethos being spread on platforms of mass influence.

    My thread's purpose is to prove that the people who play the victim to it, are brutal perpetrators of it in a sense that is even less justifiable. You try to say the wrong shit in some very right-wing areas and you will be in hospital.
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    Have you ever tried to speak against prejudice in a redneck neighborhood? #cancelculture
    • If I point out that REDNECK is a term of anti-white derision then this post probably qualifies.
    • REDNECK, by definition, is rural and most NEIGHBORHOODs are by definition, not rural.  The term is probably oxymoronic and certainly rural areas are known for not creating a lot of public venues for outsider opinion or political protest.  Prejudices are very rarely openly discussed in public venue, precisely to avoid such protest.  Most prejudice under discussion in public is couched in layers of textualism meant to provide layers of deniability.  Most blatant prejudicial speech is done in private.  Most blatant prejudicial acts are done in the dark- fled from and denied.
    pretending there's no cancel culture on the right wing
    • I guess this is probably closer to your thesis.  I'm gay so I've been getting cancelled by the right wing from a very early age- criminalized, ghettoized, vandalized, terrorized, fired, and denied.
    • In fact, CANCEL CULTURE (although usage of that term is fairly fuzzy) is inherently anti-liberal although not necessarily anti-left-wing.  Ultimately, all ostracism is about maintaining the purity of a core culture and ideology and since such purity is traditionally a much larger concern on the right than the left I think it is safe to credit the right wing with the majority of all cancel culture- even if the right wing uses different identifiers like "family values" or "white power."  Just look at the exponentially expanding circle of impure right-wingers now cancelled as "RINO." 

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    Actually 'redneck' was a term invented by the working class miners who wore red bandanas around their necks to help wipe away sweat and dirt. The more politically correct term 'hillbilly' was ironically the opposite, it was the more insulting term that others gave them but over time it flipped around somewhat, for reasons that nobody at all knows (not even them).

    I am not making a thesis, If I wanted a PhD on right-wing US subcultures, I wouldn't be posting that material on this website.
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    *calls them rednecks*

    *wonders why they don't respond respectfully*