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The think in most of the religions that have survived adapted to changing morals. Slavery, human sacrifice, even things like a city having to give food or taxes to a maintained temple (Greece)  and such are not longer part of religions that have survived. When you look at Taoism and Confucianism and Buddhism they never had or addressed these less moral practices in the core beliefs so they have survived almost unchanged. Even if the concepts of soul/spirit or deity have changed it hasn't changed how one lives the practice. They also never gave power to a human figurehead who made sure laws were followed and sins were punished.  When you look at say Heathenism which is cool to watch on shows like Vikings there isn't large human/animal sacrifices made today in that religion  and it's deemed to be ok by the gods who once demanded it. So he may be right in that  most ancient religions are gone or shifted to modern principles (non violence) stay active. The only ones to survive as they originally practiced were/ are non violent. 
Phenomenal analysis.

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Nonetheless, religion certainly is one factor that impedes co-operation.
it seems to facilitate co-operation within the group while impeding co-operation with "outsiders"
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Even religions don't have cooperation within their own group.
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Even religions don't have cooperation within their own group.
they do often tend to fractionalize after they reach the 200 member mark
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Sometimes it's a benefit. For instance in Heathenism there are racists and neo-nazi groups so it's good that they are separate.

Just like it would be good to know what churches would be anti-LGBT if you happen to be one of those people.

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Religion is relatively harmless if practiced as a hobby. Like a Sunday morning sing song type of thing, or a bit of naked dancing in the woods.

Though it would seem that techno-evolution requires the broadest of gene pools and the cooperation of the best minds.

So where an ideological State intervenes  stymying global cooperation, this might inhibit progress.

But of course this might be a good thing.......Or even an inevitable thing.

It would depend upon what credence one gives to the notion of predeterminism.




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It would depend upon what credence one gives to the notion of predeterminism.
or indeterminism
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Undoubtedly.


The subject of coal and oil was brought to mind recently, and in terms of material evolution It's quite a fortunate sequence of events.

The formation and laying down of reserves of energy for later extraction.
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The formation and laying down of reserves of energy for later extraction.
negentropy scraping



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Hmmm.

So in a nutshell, what did Joshua say.
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the most efficient negentropy scraper will destroy all competitors
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Define negentropy scraper.
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Define negentropy scraper.
energy extractor
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OK.

So put this into some sort of bigger context.
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So put this into some sort of bigger context.
historically, "the winner" has always been the best negentropy scraper

the ottomans

the romans

and in the future

AGI will figure this out and focus exclusively on energy extraction

it will, in all likelihood, ignore humans altogether once they are no longer a threat to it
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Nice.

I agree entirely.

It's what I refer to as material evolution.

Which I suppose in a way is predeterminism.

On another planet in another solar system, everything in essence, would be exactly the same.

And I suppose that directly or indirectly energy is extracted from a star.

Though from the ultimate negentropy scrapers point of view, any cosmic energy source will do?
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Though from the ultimate negentropy scrapers point of view, any cosmic energy source will do?
absolutely

the "ultimate goal" will be (EITHER) some sort of "dyson sphere" (OR) some even more direct and efficient form of energy extraction we have not currently conceived of
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this might even "explain" "war" (as some sort of "heat exchange")
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War for sure.

Nuclear war even surer.


In the end  I envisage some sort of free data energy thing that exceeds the cellular membrane/protective shell.

Which is all tied up in the death and rebirth of the system and the continuation of the universal sequence.