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> strict atheism is logically incoherent therefore atheism should be redefined to its broadest sense. (Where is the value that logically incoherent concepts must be removed from the lexicon?)
(IFF) we can agree that language only exists to serve as a means of clear communication between humans with as little error and miscommunication as possible (THEN) we can agree that removing and or modifying the definitions of words to make them less logically incoherent serves the core function of language itself
There's your conditional statement.
> strict atheists are functionally indistinguishable from broad atheists therefore atheism should be redefined to its broadest sense. (Where is the value that performatively similar ideologies must be condensed under the same name?)
(IFF) the broad term "theism" is valid and useful to describe a large category of people who believe extremely different things, many of them mutually exclusive and even diametrically opposed (THEN) the broad term "atheism" should be able to accommodate BOTH "lack of belief" AND "active DISbelief" without any problem whatsoever, especially since "lack of belief" does not logically EXCLUDE "active DISbelief" and as such it should be considered the more inclusive (broader) definition and therefore PRIMARY
Feel free to point out any errors you may find.
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so it makes me wonder
if people "self-segregate"
how do you stop them ?
the italians want to live in an italian neighborhood
the russians want to live in a russian neighborhood
the vietnamese want to live in a vietnamese neighborhood
the haitians want to live in a haitian neighborhood
the jamaicans want to live in a jamaican neighborhood
and they tell us that black students do better in school with black teachers
doesn't this translate logically to everyone else as well ?
sense of community
is like a sixth sense
food and language and art and music
cult(ure)
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this is the best commentary on the current state of censorship that i've seen yet
paypal
aws
trump
alex jones
andrew tate
and now kanye west (ye)
we need a neutral network
just like a telephone network
can you imagine if the phone company started cutting off service to anyone who said words they don't like ?
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coinage has an interesting history
in india, when the foreign invaders wanted to control the population
they minted new coins
but nobody used them, and that makes a poor system of control
so, they did some research
and minted new coins with the image of a luck god that was popular in that region
and spread rumors about how lucky things happened to people who carried these lucky coins
people then wanted these coins, because, who doesn't need more good luck, and apparently, the more coins you hold, the more luck you get
they of course also cornered the market on wheat (leveraging physical force, aka, soldiers) and set an exchange rate of X number of coins for X measure of wheat
this gives the coin practical utility
but to really get things started, they need the broadest possible USERBASE
and that's where the "air-drop" comes in
representatives traveled the countryside, making sure every village gets some free coins and spreads the word about how lucky they are
and just like cocaine
once you get them hooked
the system becomes self-sustaining
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Trump 'endorses' Dan Goldman, the lawyer who led his impeachment, amid a confounding string of Truth Social posts praising Democrats [**]
- Trump claimed to endorse Democratic Reps. Carolyn Maloney, Jerry Nadler, and Dan Goldman.
- Goldman, a lawyer who led Trump's first impeachment hearing, said Trump was "trying to meddle in an election."
- If the endorsements are intended to sour Democratic voters on the candidates, they're reminiscent of efforts by Democrats to meddle in the 2022 Republican primaries.
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Taleb would argue, on the basis of the precautionary principle, that religious ideas that have been useful for thousands of years (Lindy Effect), and would be better arbitrators of truth than personal rationality or new moral ideas. But at the same time, religion is only accepted because it survived, while other belief systems that would have been equally valid did not survive. How do we reconcile survivorship bias with the precautionary principle in the case of religion?
1. Precautionary Principle: a broad epistemological, philosophical and legal approach to innovations with potential for causing harm when extensive scientific knowledge on the matter is lacking.
2. Lindy Effect: a theory that the future life expectancy of some non-perishable things like a technology or an idea is proportional to their current age, so that every additional period of survival implies a longer remaining life expectancy. Where the Lindy effect applies, mortality rate decreases with time.
3. Survivorship Bias: the logical error of concentrating on the people or things that made it past some selection process and overlooking those that did not, typically because of their lack of visibility. This can lead to false conclusions in several different ways. It is a form of selection bias. [**]
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PROPOSAL TO END ALL MODERATION "PROBLEMS"
moderation almost always only happens when a user complains
i propose we implement a "mutual-mute" feature
this would make the "problem user" invisible to the complainer
AND
this would also make the complainer invisible to the "problem user"
the mods could make an OPTIONAL moderator-muted-list of users they deemed "inappropriate" so they would be invisible to the public and also invisible to all site members - UNLESS - site members un-checked the OPTIONAL moderator-muted-list
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(IFF) GOD = EXIST (THEN) EXIST = GOD
(in other words, the source and creator of all things is also those things and all things created are pieces of the source)
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It's been both frightening and interesting to watch how open those in control are with their telling us up front both what they think of us and what they plan to do to us.
The openly (and not quite so openly) ways they have talked of depopulation is one that frightens myself. Especially more in the last two years or so with such signs as:
- The entire Covid theater where they have been caught being the bringers of disinformation. And worse, demanding compliance to measures that they admit aren't helpful yet their implementation is harmful.
- The entire biolabs research programs, with many suspecting that the U.S. itself might have been the creator of the Covid pandemic, if they are even being truthful on what is causing the Covid sicknesses. The lab in Wuhan is funded with U.S. subsidies for the express purpose of gain of function research, despite the lies before congress the Dr. Frankenstein man placed in charge of this so called pandemic, Dr. Fauci denies.
- The destruction of both energy and food supplies being purposely conducted by those who are pretending to have the peoples best interests as their jobs.
Before I move on to the Deagle report, I wish to point out two terrifying truths that should wake everyone up, but isn't.
- Fertilizer shortages will ensure that crop yields are perhaps 40% lower than we've traditionally seen.
- Multiple food processing plants have burnt down in the last six months. More than one could with any seriousness consider to be normal.
And of course we must acknowledge that the push for world economic and ecological restrictions are designed for life to thrive EXCEPT humans. In order to meet their supposed targets, there's no way we can sustain the level of world population anywhere near the current levels.
In the above link, which is a lot to absorb, I would direct your initial focus on the decline in fertility. A fact that years ago crept up on many, now is becoming more common. I believe it's safe to recognize this has been a purposeful event.
My last non Deagle point would be to mention at this point the Georgia Guidestones.
Most disturbing is the first of ten messages.
- Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
- Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity.
- Unite humanity with a living new language.
- Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason.
- Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
- Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
- Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
- Balance personal rights with social duties.
- Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite.
And rule 10
Be not a cancer on the earth – Leave room for nature – Leave room for nature.
The first message is a call for genocide. It would entail a reduction of the world population as it currently is of 93% and growing of the current world population of close to 8 billion. Of course, this also presupposes that those folks will have their ability to give birth controlled so as never to produce more children than necessary for a level 500,000,000 balance in human life.
The Deagle Depopulation Forecast
For years now those who have been investigating conspiracies have been aware of a U.S. intelligence group called Deagle.
Their ties to the intelligence community such as the C.I.A. public knowledge.
Several years ago they published a chilling world population forecast. They later revised it to still chilling numbers. And have since scrubbed much of their forecast from the internet, including the WayBack machine. I did however find this still up.
The news looks grim indeed for the United States and much of the so called western world.
To put this in perspective, here is a screenshot taken a few years ago.
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As you can see there are, according to their forecast, much pain coming for those of us in the U.S.
As you can see there are, according to their forecast, much pain coming for those of us in the U.S.
According to the census population clock there are at the time of this writing over 332,000,000 people in the U.S.
In three more years, they are predicting a population here of 100,000,000. A reduction of over 66% in people living here.
They are also projecting GDP to fall from its current 19 trillion to 2.4 trillion.
I won't bother listing the other pain points, this is enough for the scope of this examination.
Here are some videos for those more curious.
MIT agrees only their prediction is for total societal collapse by 2040.
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I've heard many posit who are more spiritual than myself that there is some karmic law where they have to tell you beforehand. To somehow make you complicit I guess.
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I've heard many posit who are more spiritual than myself that there is some karmic law where they have to tell you beforehand. To somehow make you complicit I guess.
I have a hard time with that line of thinking due to all of the billions of casualties daily who were not made aware upfront of their impending hardships or death.
I remember a similar thought process for myself when I was quite young over the assertion the only way to heaven was through Jesus. I wondered what of the many people who hadn't heard of Jesus. Many would answer me they were safe because they couldn't be punished for their ignorance, which sounds conveniently a lot like the karmic law I mentioned a moment ago.
Without knowing for sure, I lean more towards the act of warning beforehand to be tainted a lot with cruelty.
History (and personal experience) demonstrates often one of humanities worst characteristics. To not only abuse those one has power over, but to derive so much pleasure out of it many will flex as they do so. Relishing in the pain those who are powerless to stop them exhibit.
The old rubbing salt in the wound if you would.
We've seen this in most every walk of life, in even what can be quite trivial situations.
In fact, one can quite readily see it on display in stake based systems where flag/stake nullification is allowed.
It seems that there is perhaps a narcissistic compulsion to hurt others to maintain their perceived positions of being superior. I say this as due to my perception it has appeared to me that many of those drawn to power mostly fit the narcissist profile.
I see it in the way many in what are considered positions of power display an entitlement that their lives and their opinions are much more valuable than the commoners such as myself. Believing they are the mold with which one must listen to and emulate (in words not actual actions). I say in words because so many of these fake folks are constantly being caught doing the opposite of what they pretend to do or advise their followings to do.
Much like those who are quick to wish death on their neighbors because we have to many people, yet they never seem to consider that they could put their money where their mouths are and be the first in line to creating that depopulation progress they wish would come already.
In the last years, I've watched my country grind to a halt with ridiculous, exaggerated edicts that were often contradictory and harmful to sustainability.
In the last year specifically, I've watched as every step taken that could derail the economy has been taken. From sabotaging energy, to the supply chain to our food supply.
Just as we saw with the planned 911 tragedy, this is a controlled demolition.
And there appear to be no white knights coming to save the day.
The politicians, and their private armies of law enforcement and military are not only standing down, they are actively supporting these many acts of sedition with their threats of violence.
We have entered very tough times, and I've mentioned one thing several times now.
If you tell me that you consider me your enemy, I'll believe you.
In both action and deed those who control most aspects of the societal agreement have mentioned they believe most of us an enemy when we are not useful for their plans.
I believe them, and their continued moves leave little doubt they are making their final move towards seeing that first Georgia Guidestone message become reality.
Regardless of how much weight you give to these warning that they themselves give to us I do hope you will at least understand one thing. Random or not, the coming pain that is being purposely orchestrated will ensure much hardship and death, and will see neighbors fighting neighbors over the few scraps of necessities that will be available.
Think it can't happen to you and your neighbors. The Donner Party would be a stark wake up call to understanding how far some will indeed go when they face certain death.
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I'll get right to the point.
Ad hominem attacks are basically inevitable.
So, I'm proposing, for maybe a week, at random, all DebateArt usernames and icons be shuffled.
Of course the admins could still see the real userinfo, to mitigate potential abuse posting.
I think it would be very interesting to see how people respond differently to each other without the baggage they inevitably accumulate with familiarity.
and of course, after the wacky-week, everything posted would be re-labeled back to the actual (correct) account that created it (and not the randomized pseudonym).
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a shining example of a typical ad hominem debate
pay close attention to the defense
pay close attention to the face to face attack
this is basically the "super-bowl" of debates
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also,
are the international corporations going to participate in the sanctions against russia ?
in this short clip, i see,
mcdonalds
h & m
kfc
burger king
ikea
nintendo
lego
levi strauss
puma
samsung
why are they not part of this insane conversation ?
if the russian military is acting like a terrorist organization,
why do these companies continue to conduct business as usual in russia ?
It's important to remember the real people of Russia. They do not hate Ukrainians.
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On the scale of a single family.
Would you call the functional model of a single family "totalitarian" ?
Would you call the functional model of a single family "communist" ?
Would you call the functional model of a single family "capitalist" ?
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if i made a bunch of robots
on a deserted island
or on the moon
or maybe i genetically engineered the robots
so they grew from cells
and i expected them to worship me
without giving them any direct evidence of my existence
would that seem crazy to you ?
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The problem is that we'll never evolve (and never would be more than other primates even with our language capacity) if we never ever trusted what others told us about the past, meaning we inherently do need authority to stop lies being spread or else the lies can just as easily become the 'truth'. It's easy to blame the authority as 'evil' but the alternative is far more sinister and in fact a perfect example of how sinister it can be when authorities fail to stop the spread of falsehood-tainted propaganda and other such lies is the very Holocaust in discussion, meaning it is self-evidently necessary to prevent its denial even to justify said prevention. [**]
Your scathing critique is requested.
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seriously.
is your argument really that the black supremacist's will overthrow the government and their first act will be to draft sweeping federal laws that create BLACKS ONLY bathrooms and swimming pools and water fountains and schools and libraries ?
is that really why you're completely freaking out about "criticalracetheory" ?
criticalracetheory
criticalracetheory
criticalracetheory
criticalracetheory
are you afraid that mayonnaise and coffee will be criminalized as a flimsy pretext for mass incarceration of THE WHITE RACE ?
i can't tell if you're joking or not.
please explain this to me.
why am i not even slightly afraid of any of this ?
THE ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS WAKING NIGHTMARE OF LEROY CROW
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The vast majority of "men's rights" groups are not actually about trying to reverse sexual discrimination against men. They don't even make the effort. They're about undermining feminism and fighting against equality. It's basically the same kind of mindset that pushes some on the right to insist that white people are the real victims. Any erosion of power, however unjust that power position is, makes some people feel like victims of discrimination.
'A Voice for Men' was the most prominent, loud and genuinely awful groups a few years ago. Probably still are. And if you bothered to pay attention to the things they were actually trying to get attention for, it either had nothing to do with addressing actual sexual discrimination or was used as a battering tool against women and feminism. AVfM, in particular, has advanced lies that about half of rape accusations against men are false, that domestic violence shelters for women are just teaching anti-male politics, that domestic violence against men studies were hiding real rates of violence, have doxxed feminists and female protestors, stated that women would be useless if not for sex, etc.
The most common argument in these kinds of groups (again, a majority) is that sexual discrimination against men is a bigger and wider problem than discrimination against women. On its face, it's a rejection of the very basic feminist notion that women are not yet treated equally. And even when they attempt something positive, it's anti-female. Rather than try to seek better care for veterans, AVfM sought better care for male veterans. Like, most veterans are men, why make the distinction except to specifically discriminate against female veterans?
As frustrating and horrifying as these kinds of groups are, the truth is that a bigger part of me just feels sad. Because there are issues that affect men more than women. There are problems that aren't being properly addressed. Men who experience sexual assault at the hands of women, though rarer than the other way around, usually have no recourse in the courts. Because the idea that a woman can rape a man is "silly." Men commit suicide at higher rates and, partly thanks to the sexual roles that push them into both self-reliance and an aversion to asking for emotional support, are less likely to seek help when suicidal ideation takes hold. The outreach aimed at reducing suicide currently works better for women than men. That's a problem. But most men's groups aren't trying to address and fix problems, they're about airing grievances against feminism and women. It's so stupid and pointless.
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What you call "the majority" is simply the worst examples that have been AMPLIFIED by media in order to paint the entire movement with a BROAD-BRUSH and create a convenient BOOGIE-MAN to rally against. It's a game. We're all humans and should defend the individual sovereignty of all humans, BOTH female and male, foreigner and citizen, no matter how poor and no matter how rich they may be. They want us to think of each other as "evil", but that's just a game that keeps us fighting amongst ourselves.
I want to live in a world where all humans are treated like humans.
Homeless people are not trash.
Criminals are not trash.
Foreigners (Russians/Chinese/Iranians/North-Koreans) are not evil trash.
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Click this link to create your own version of DEBATEART.COM (well, the forum section at least).
YOU CAN SET THE AGENDA.
YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT THE RULES ARE.
YOU CAN DECIDE WHO TO INVITE AND WHO TO IGNORE.
IT'S THE EASIEST THING YOU'VE EVER DONE IN YOUR LIFE.
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In high school biology, we learn that humans are born with either XX or XY chromosomes, and that a person’s internal and external sex organs match those chromosomes.
It turns out, however, that BIOLOGICAL sex isn’t that straightforward.
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Do you think that perhaps the function of government could be replaced by open-source software?
All government? No. But some yes. And this is one of those things, like all computer systems, where we're going to have to start with small issues and work out the bugs there before moving on.
The issue is not in "can" we create such a system; the issue will be removing the power from politicians. They will object and will attempt to cause as much FUD as possible.
Artificial Neural Networks are already acting as consultants to JUDGES in bail and parole hearings.
I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that a politician will very soon promise to manage the resources under their purview purely by evidence based, PROCRUSTEAN algorithms.
TRUSTLESS TRANSPARENT DECENTRALIZED ANARCHY
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How do you QUANTIFY intentions?This isn't a deposition. You got to get to the point.
Yes, you've convinced me that any legal or moral framework that relies on detecting INTENTIONS is functionally indistinguishable from witchcraft.
By your "consequentialist" view, nobody should ever be convicted of accidentally or unintentionally committing a crime.
Isn't that one of the KEY legal obstacles to convicting TRUMP of many of his CRIMES?
It's been argued that the Georgia phone call was NOT criminal if TRUMP sincerely believes that he really and truly WON.
This would magically transform the phone call from being an implicit demand for falsifying vote tallies into an honest and sincere plea for "THE TRUTH".
ALSO,
There was a case a few years ago where a police officer accidentally entered a neighbor's apartment, mistakenly thinking it was their own apartment and mistook their neighbor for an INTRUDER and shot them dead.
Their legal defense argued that it was not a crime because the officer sincerely believed their neighbor was an intruder.
Police are protected by a legal doctrine called "qualified immunity" which states that (IFF) the officer believed at the time that what they were doing was perfectly legal, (THEN) their case can be dismissed. [LINK]
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The "far-right" and the "far-left" both distrust the banksters.
The "far-left" and the "far-right" both distrust centralized government.
The "far-right" and the "far-left" both distrust the globalists.
The "far-left" and the "far-right" both distrust the **CORPORATE MOBSTERS**.
The globalist-banksters don't believe in "communism".
The globalist-banksters promise "communism" but **never** deliver.
IT'S THE FUCKING **CENTRISTS** WHO TRUST "BIG GOVERNMENT".
IT'S THE FUCKING **CENTRISTS** WHO TRUST "GLOBAL CORPORATIONS".
We are the members of "Do-it-or-DIE" (D-ie, D-ie, Die).
Do what we say - or we will kill you.
# In 6 minutes and 30 seconds, YOU ARE A CULT MEMBER
# Skip to 1072 seconds, YOU ARE A CULT MEMBER
Cults are everywhere.
There are little pieces of cults in all things.
We all have so many of those "mental traps" already.
We just can't see the traps from the inside.
# Skip to 3325 seconds, YOU ARE A CULT MEMBER
Suppose, you, you're, out of work.
You don't have anything to eat.
You look for a job.
It's considered a wonderful thing to get a job.
It wasn't always that way.
You go back to the origins of the Industrial Revolution.
Mid 19th Century.
Take a look at the literature, the working-class literature.
The idea of "having a job" was considered a, a, totally, intolerable assault.
On elementary human dignity and human rights.
# Everything you will ever need to know about politics was explained in 1945,
The "lesson" of ANIMAL-FARM is that **FEUDAL HIERARCHY** is "the enemy" (DEMAND HOLACRACY + RCV).
The "lesson" of ANIMAL-FARM is that government **promises** are MEANINGLESS.
The "lesson" of ANIMAL-FARM is that whoever controls **"the dogs"** (military-police-cult aged males) can scare everyone else into abject submission (SO THEY CAN LITERALLY GET AWAY WITH MURDER AND OR EPSTEIN).
IT'S THE FUCKING **CENTRISTS** WHO TRUST "BIG GOVERNMENT".
IT'S THE FUCKING **CENTRISTS** WHO TRUST "GLOBAL CORPORATIONS".
# RADICAL ANTI-CENTRIST PROPAGANDA,
SEARCH **ROKU** TV FOR "LOGICZOMBIE"
SEARCH YOUTUBE FOR "LOGICZOMBIE" [LINK]
SEARCH **LBRY.TV** FOR "LOGICZOMBIE" [LINK]
### Human "creativity" is (EITHER) caused by previous influences (OR) indistinguishable from random - - WILL cannot be random - - FREE action cannot be caused by previous influences - - FREE is incompatible with WILL.
+proHUMAN +proFAMILY
Your scathing critique is requested.
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Admitting that racism is a thing, and calling it racism is an everybody who's actually rational thing
I disagree.
Discrimination is real.
The concept of "race" is fabricated.
Between 1660 and 1690 the RULING CLASS invented the term "WHITE RACE" very specifically as a tool to FRACTIONALIZE poor workers.
The English had a long history of separating themselves from others and treating foreigners, such as the Irish, as alien “others.” By the 17th century their policies and practices in Ireland had led to an image of the Irish as “savages” who were incapable of being civilized.
The social position of Africans in the early colonies has been a source of considerable debate. Some scholars have argued that they were separated from European servants and treated differently from the beginning. Later historians, however, have shown that there was no such uniformity in the treatment of Africans. Records indicate that many Africans and their descendants were set free after their periods of servitude. They were able to purchase land and even bought servants and slaves of their own.
Some African men became wealthy tradesmen, craftsmen, or farmers, and their skills were widely recognized. They voted, appeared in courts, engaged in business and commercial dealings, and exercised all the civil rights of other free men. Some free Africans intermarried, and their children suffered little or no special discrimination. Other Africans were poor and lived with other poor men and women; Blacks and whites worked together, drank together, ate together, played together, and frequently ran away together.
Moreover, the poor of all colours protested together against the policies of the government (at least 25 percent of the rebels in Bacon’s Rebellion [1676] were Blacks, both servants and freedmen). The social position of Africans and their descendants for the first six or seven decades of colonial history seems to have been open and fluid and not initially overcast with an ideology of inequality or inferiority.
The colonial leaders found a solution to both problems: by the 1690s they had divided the restless poor into categories reflecting their origins, homogenizing all Europeans into a “white” category and instituting a system of permanent slavery for Africans, the most vulnerable members of the population.
Between 1660 and 1690, leaders of the Virginia colony began to pass laws and establish practices that provided or sanctioned differential treatment for freed servants whose origins were in Europe. They conscripted poor whites, with whom they had never had interests in common, into the category of free men and made land, tools, animals, and other resources available to them. [LINK]
+proHUMAN +proFAMILY
Your scathing critique is requested.
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(sid) i just wish i could have a REAL conversation for once instead of a poorly disguised battle for dominance.
(sammy) you're describing 100% of conversations (including this one).
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A statement does not flicker back and forth between being factual and not being factual based on who is observing it. If you cannot understand the concept of a fact that you cannot personally verify, further conversing is fruitless. Please leave me alone. [**]
If "xbeliefs" are not logically-necessary, I'm not sure what "problem" they're trying to solve. The idea of "the world outside the mind" is a bit strange as an axiom, since we are necessarily trapped in the epistemological prison of the phaneron. In other words, anything strictly "incomprehensible" ("outside the mind") can safely be bundled up within the broad and nebulous category of the noumenon. Why would anyone bother themselves with an undetectable data set?
A FACT must be empirically demonstrable and or logically-necessary QUANTA (and emotionally meaningless).
An OPINION must be personal, private, experiential, unfalsifiable, qualitative, indistinguishable from GNOSIS (and emotionally meaningful).
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ATHEIST =/= CREEDAtheists deny God in one of a few ways. They either see no evidence for God, or they reject the evidence that is offered, or they don't care enough to seek God because they have not examined their beliefs well enough.
OR, perhaps they believe "YHWH" IS REAL and just don't give a flying flip.
(IFF) the cosmos is controlled by a megalomaniacal lunatic who demands my fealty on pain of eternal torture (THEN) FUCK THAT GUY.
I'D RATHER BE ETERNALLY TORTURED THAN TO SHOW OBSEQUIOUS DEFERENCE TO (human) PEOPLE WHO CALL THEMSELVES "PREISTS" AND "PROPHETS" AND "TEACHERS".
(IFF) "YHWH" wants to speak to me (THEN) let them SPEAK.
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'Undeniable Pattern of Fraud': MIT Analysis Shows 69,000 Trump Votes Flipped to Biden in Michigan Amidst Contradictory Fact-Checker 'Facts', Michigan Lawsuit With Dominion Whistleblower & More
When the Antrim County Elections Commissioner in Michigan announced that a "tabulating software glitch" had counted 6,000 Trump votes for Biden amidst a flurry of other statistical anomalies in Michigan and other swing states, observers began to speculate that that the "glitch" was actually a feature of this Dominion Voting Systems software being used in 47 additional Michigan counties. Considering the fact that hidden programs used to flip the vote for a chosen candidate have not only existed for decades, but are easy to both create (only 100 lines of code) and upload onto electronic voting machines while remaining virtually undetectable, such a scenario is entirely possible. And given that another glitch in another Michigan county resulting with the very same outcome in a County Commissioner race, erroneously flipping Republican votes to the Democrat opponent causing a now-reversed election upset, it does seem mighty coincidental that multiple such 'glitches' all causing 'errors' that flip R votes to D is certainly highly suspect. And let's not forget Dominion's ties to the Clinton Foundation and a number of other establishment Democrat insiders, posing a number of obvious conflicts of interest.
14 minute youtube link - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F_g-eKY1QI
I GUESS THE REAL QUESTION IS, DO YOU PREFER "STABILITY" OR THE TRUTH?
WE'VE HAD OVER 20 YEARS TO FIX THE EMBARASSINGLY BAD VOTING MACHINES IN THE UNITED STATES.
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Debate Resolution: "The United States ought to institute a federal jobs guarantee"
PRO:
Speaking from a purely economic perspective (culturally we conflate money with morality), homeless people and prisoners cost the state roughly $20,000.00 per person per year. School children in the USA receive a subsidy of roughly $15,000.00 per child per year. Homeless people & prisoners & school children are unproductive members of society (jobless). It would be a great boost to the economy (culturally we conflate money with morality) if we found some jobs for these individuals (since we also tend to conflate laziness with immorality).
Of course a "jobs guarantee" probably doesn't mean "mandatory labor camps".
CON:
Speaking from a purely economic perspective (culturally we conflate money with morality), a deep, primal fear of becoming homeless and a deep, primal fear of being sent to prison contributes immensely to economic productivity. This fundamental and essential primal fear is what keeps the working class (80% of the country) going to jobs they hate, overlooking safety violations, taking verbal abuse from customers and managers, and accepting extremely low wages (keeping consumer prices competitive).
If these workers were "guaranteed a job", then they would walk away from these wretched, dead-end, often physically dangerous jobs (with no retirement or health guarantees) and the nation's entrepreneurs would go out of business. These businesses would probably be replaced by government-run replacements because the government would have a huge surplus of employees due to their "jobs guarantee". This would lead to a totalitarian state, and everybody knows that totalitarian state = teh evil.
Therefore, "The United States ought to institute a federal jobs guarantee" = "totalitarian state" = evil.
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I believe the only measure of an argument should be your ability to convince an opponent.
By removing the "audience" from the equation, you automatically get a much more honest discussion and exploration of opposing ideas. It would also save a lot of time for the moderators sifting through long and detailed "reasons for vote". I'm sure a lot of "self-moderated" debates would end in a tie, but I don't see that as a "problem".
At the end of each debate, each participant would get 1 point for participation and have the option of awarding up to 3 additional points to their opponent. These points would simply accumulate over time and would count towards a debater's "Civil Debate" tally. Alternatively you might consider splitting their score into three parts ("1/1/1") where the first number is the number of "Civil Debates" they've participated in, the second number is the number of points they've received from other players and the third number is the number of points they've granted to their opponents.
This system ("1/1/1") would allow you to know, at a glance, how experienced they are in this particular debate format, how convincing they are generally considered by their opponents, and how receptive and or generous they are (making them a more attractive opponent).
Self-moderating debates are an interesting idea. In an ideal world, where everyone is willing to honestly consider other people's ideas, it would work well. In the world we're actually in, I see some problems with it. A lot of people here are more interested in debating as a competition (which is fine). The current system lends itself to this, with win records and ratings. Adding self-moderating debates where the goal is to convince and to learn wouldn't jive well with that system. Debaters interested only in winning probably wouldn't assign a fair number of points to their opponents. On the other hand, self-moderating debates might appeal more to people like UpholdingTheFaith, who want a more discussion based format than a formal debate. I'm not sure how the two formats would mix. It could work if self-moderating debates were unrated or in their own rating system, but those solutions seem clunky to me.
I would be perfectly happy with an "unranked" status for "self-moderated" debates.
At the same time, I think it would be **useful** to know how charitable (open-minded) a potential debate partner has been in the past.
The main reason I no longer participate in the current debate system is because most of my debates go **unvoted** on.
The other reason I no longer participate in the current debate system is because I disagree with the RFD rules and most of the judge's OPINIONS.
A "self-moderated" debate might end in a **tie**, but it will never go "unvoted" and if there is any dispute about "who won", at least both sides are on **equal footing** and it doesn't devolve into "who has the most friends" or "who's the most popular with the judges".
And just to be perfectly clear, the **current system** and current rules and ranking system would be **100% UNCHANGED** by this proposal. [***](https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5-platform-development?page=56&post_number=1378)
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# THE PRIMARY USE-CASE FOR CIVIL DEBATE
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I've seen a lot of chatter lately from very intelligent individuals who believe "the marketplace of ideas" HAS FAILED.
There are a **shocking** number of calls to "ban" or at least "suppress", "warning label", "shadow ban" "DANGEROUS IDEAS" and or otherwise hyper-promote "OFFICIAL NARRITIVES" (VERIFIED BY "OFFICIAL" "government approved" FACT-CHECKERS).
Even by **self-described** "rational skeptics", "atheists", "free-thinkers", and "libertarians".
For example, "Rational Disconnect" and Penn Jillette and even Lucien Greaves have stated plainly that unfettered "free speech" is a "DANGEROUS" ideology with "no obvious solution".
**I STRONGLY DISAGREE.**
THE "PROBLEM" ISN'T MISINFORMATION, FAKE NEWS, AND OR "DANGEROUS" IDEAS.
THE "PROBLEM" IS THE FORMAT.
### THE "PROBLEM" IS THE FRAMEWORK OF THE DEBATE ITSELF.
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THE "PROBLEM" IS THAT PEOPLE HAVEN'T MADE ANY EFFORT TO CLEARLY DISTINGUISH FACT FROM OPINION.
THE "PROBLEM" IS THAT PEOPLE ARE NEVER FOCUSED ON **CONVINCING** THEIR OPPONENTS.
THE "PROBLEM" IS THAT PEOPLE ARE ONLY IN A **RUSH-TO-DISQUALIFY** ANYONE AND EVERYONE THEY DISAGREE WITH (CANCEL CULTURE).
### THOUGHT =/= CRIME
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IT IS RIDICULOUSLY SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT A FACT IS.
A FACT MUST BE EMPIRICALLY DEMONSTRABLE AND OR LOGICALLY NECESSARY QUANTA (EMOTIONALLY MEANINGLESS).
**AN OPINION IS ANYTHING THAT IS NOT A FACT.**
THIS INCLUDES ALL SCIENTIFIC **CONCLUSIONS**.
FLAT-EARTH IS NOT A "DANGEROUS IDEA"
it's an opinion.
QANON IS NOT A "DANGEROUS IDEA"
it's an opinion.
RELIGION IS NOT A "DANGEROUS IDEA"
it's an opinion.
HATE SPEECH IS NOT A "DANGEROUS IDEA"
it's an opinion.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU DISAGREE.
# I SAID IT FIRST.
JOIN THE CREATIVE COMMONS ZERO PROJECT BY COPYING THIS CONTENT AND CLAIMING IT AS YOUR OWN. **COPYRIGHT = CENSORSHIP.** STOP PAYING CORPORATE GOONS FOR THEIR STORIES AND IMAGES. STOP DEFENDING CORPORATE GOONS FOR FREE. **MORALITY =/= MONEY.**
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At what point did we begin to conflate MONEY with MORALITY?
# NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE OR A JUDGE, THEY CAN LEGALLY LIE TO YOU
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# NEVER CONVICT PEOPLE CHARGED WITH LAWS YOU DISAGREE WITH
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### Perhaps anarchy already exists and "THE COMMUNITY" is merely the highest manifestation of organized crime. – special thanks to @thoughts-in-time
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I'm afraid that rights are mostly granted by mob democracy. A man's right to life and liberty can be taken away by any group larger, better armed and/or better organized than his. The mechanism is and always has been concerned citizens fighting against the status quo for the betterment of the status quo.
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If you attack (censor/demonize) people for saying itsoktobeblank, you are contributing to their radicalization. By excluding them from the conversation, you are forcing them into a toxic echo-chamber. If you are unable to acknowledge that you can agree with some points a person makes while disagreeing with other points a person makes, instead of accepting or rejecting them wholesale, then you are no longer a skeptical-free-thinker, and you are instead an insular "arbiter of truth" advocating censorship of people and ideas you happen to disagree with.
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