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once upon a time several families all lived in an old apartment building

this building had been built a long time ago and the families handed down their apartments to their children

a few of them sold their apartments to a group of newcomers

one day the landlord told everyone they were no longer going to manage the building and everyone would own the apartments they lived in and they would have to manage the building together

and to everyone's surprise

on the same day the old landlord left, several of the newcomers declared themselves the new owners of the building

the majority of the tenants were unhappy about this

but the new self-declared owners had stockpiled weapons and were "recognized" by a powerful neighbor as the official new owners

and rather predictably at that point

the legacy tenants tried to throw out the newcomers

a group of neighbors wrote an opinion about how the building should be split roughly in half

but the legacy tenants would not agree to give up half the building to the presumptuous newcomers who simply declared themselves the new owners of everything
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so it makes me wonder
if people "self-segregate"
how do you stop them ?

the italians want to live in an italian neighborhood
the russians want to live in a russian neighborhood
the vietnamese want to live in a vietnamese neighborhood
the haitians want to live in a haitian neighborhood
the jamaicans want to live in a jamaican neighborhood
and they tell us that black students do better in school with black teachers
doesn't this translate logically to everyone else as well ?
sense of community
is like a sixth sense
food and language and art and music
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the hypothesis hypothesis

I have spent lot of years mainly figuring out what myself and this reality is all about. I've questioned everything I thought I knew about myself and reality. By doing so I constantly became more and more clear about my own conditioning and belief-systems. I saw that every belief I had was just that: a belief that I had taken for granted but that had actually nothing to do with the truth. In fact I've come to see that every belief I had was like a filter in front of truth. Truth isn't something mind can grasp, it's actually the very opposite, everything mind thinks it understands actually takes it that much further from the truth.

So I was questioning everything about reality and saw that eventually even the concept of material universe was just a hypothesis. All we can know for certain is our experience and the phenomenon it contains. Everything outside our experience is hypothesis, even the concrete nature of the universe.
But even more than that I figured out my own ego and belief systems I had about myself as a person. That seemed more relevant at the time. I was always puzzled by the idea that my past life dictates who I am. That would mean that if I were to born in completely different circumstances I would became a completely different person. I could never buy that, I felt that essentially I should be the same regardless of the circumstances. Difference is only in the accumulated beliefs and conditioning and I thought if I could get past those I would find my true core being.

So I continued to go deeper into myself and then in one ordinary day when I was sitting in a car and figuring these things as usual something happened. I suddenly felt total freedom, my issues with self esteem and self-confidence were suddenly gone, it felt instantly like there is no going back. It wasn't like I got suddenly perfect self-esteem and confidence, but experimentally those two words lost their meaning completely. All the subconscious stress about how I have to perform in life etc. were gone instantly, I felt I was free from all the concepts. I see the reason for that to happen was that my mind didn't anymore identify with any of those thoughts that made me a person of certain kind and that also ultimately made me uncertain about myself. My self esteem and feeling about myself was gradually getting better while in the middle of this process but that milestone was something I didn't anticipate.

And what does this story of my life have to do with free will? It is because how I experience it has changed from what it used to be. Before when I fully identified with my past and thought I knew what kind of person I am based on that, I had a sense of "free will" because I identified with the conditioning from which basis the choices are made. I identified myself as the maker of those choices. That event somewhat changed my identity from the doer to the witness, or to be clearer it kind of contains both aspects simultaneously now. So in my experience "I" don't have that identity as a clear cut entity that makes the choices anymore. I am more anchored in the present moment were there are no choices to be made, nor is there a maker of those choices.

Things just flow naturally and events follow each other. Of course there still seems to be this person who "chooses" to write this post, but it is like in the flower example: does a flower choose to bloom or is it just the flow of life that happens naturally?

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no claim is automatically logical

in order for a claim to be considered logical, it must be demonstrated and each component defined

for example

something plus something divided by something and then multiplied by the square-root of something = 42

you can't prove me wrong - so it must be true

if you don't believe me then you are just denying mathematical facts
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㊙️ 道可道 非常道

when you go head first and speak confidently of your movement, it is like the opposing wings of a bird, working in concert with, yet balancing the established durable standard description of proper movement

in other words

your description of your motive is not the same as the commonly accepted standard motive

in other words

your plan is unreliable

in other words

The Tao that can be spoken of is not the constant Tao
The name that can be named is not the constant name

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if i made a bunch of robots

on a deserted island

or on the moon

or maybe i genetically engineered the robots

so they grew from cells

and i expected them to worship me

without giving them any direct evidence of my existence

would that seem crazy to you ?
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Do you ever feel like you're making meaningful choices in your life? Do you feel like you have the power to shape your own destiny? If so, you're not alone. Most people believe in the idea of free will, the notion that we are capable of making choices that are not predetermined by external factors.

However, upon closer inspection, the concept of free will is an obvious contradiction in terms. After all, if an event is truly "free" and not caused by any prior factors, then it is essentially a random event - and not a product of our own choices or agency. In other words, to be truly free, an event must be uncaused by anything else - and that is simply impossible.

This is where compatibilism comes in. Compatibilists argue that free will and determinism can coexist, and that our choices can still be meaningful even if they are ultimately determined by prior causes. However, this perspective is a bit of a smoke screen - it's essentially redefining free will in a way that almost nobody thinks of it.

For example, when most people talk about free will, they mean something like "the power to act untethered to fate." They're not thinking about internal mental processes or the influence of their environment on their decisions. By redefining free will in this way, compatibilists are essentially dodging the issue of determinism and the idea that events are pre-determined by prior causes.

To make matters worse, even magic and supernatural powers cannot solve this simple logic problem. The idea of causing an uncaused cause is inherently flawed and runs counter to the basic principles of logic itself.

So what's the takeaway from all this? At the end of the day, the concept of free will is an impossible and incoherent one. While it's certainly true that we feel like we're making decisions and acting on them, this feeling is a product of our internal mental processes and the influence of external factors - not a supernatural power to break causality.

In short, if you want to feel like you have free will, go ahead and do so. But just know that this feeling is not based on any coherent or logical perspective.
I hope you find this post entertaining and thought-provoking!
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> strict atheism is logically incoherent therefore atheism should be redefined to its broadest sense. (Where is the value that logically incoherent concepts must be removed from the lexicon?)

(IFF) we can agree that language only exists to serve as a means of clear communication between humans with as little error and miscommunication as possible (THEN) we can agree that removing and or modifying the definitions of words to make them less logically incoherent serves the core function of language itself

There's your conditional statement.

> strict atheists are functionally indistinguishable from broad atheists therefore atheism should be redefined to its broadest sense. (Where is the value that performatively similar ideologies must be condensed under the same name?)

(IFF) the broad term "theism" is valid and useful to describe a large category of people who believe extremely different things, many of them mutually exclusive and even diametrically opposed (THEN) the broad term "atheism" should be able to accommodate BOTH "lack of belief" AND "active DISbelief" without any problem whatsoever, especially since "lack of belief" does not logically EXCLUDE "active DISbelief" and as such it should be considered the more inclusive (broader) definition and therefore PRIMARY

Feel free to point out any errors you may find.
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this is the best commentary on the current state of censorship that i've seen yet




alex jones

andrew tate

and now kanye west (ye)

we need a neutral network

just like a telephone network

can you imagine if the phone company started cutting off service to anyone who said words they don't like ?
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coinage has an interesting history

in india, when the foreign invaders wanted to control the population

they minted new coins

but nobody used them, and that makes a poor system of control

so, they did some research

and minted new coins with the image of a luck god that was popular in that region

and spread rumors about how lucky things happened to people who carried these lucky coins

people then wanted these coins, because, who doesn't need more good luck, and apparently, the more coins you hold, the more luck you get

they of course also cornered the market on wheat (leveraging physical force, aka, soldiers) and set an exchange rate of X number of coins for X measure of wheat
this gives the coin practical utility

but to really get things started, they need the broadest possible USERBASE

and that's where the "air-drop" comes in

representatives traveled the countryside, making sure every village gets some free coins and spreads the word about how lucky they are

and just like cocaine

once you get them hooked

the system becomes self-sustaining
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Trump 'endorses' Dan Goldman, the lawyer who led his impeachment, amid a confounding string of Truth Social posts praising Democrats [**]

  • Trump claimed to endorse Democratic Reps. Carolyn Maloney, Jerry Nadler, and Dan Goldman.
  • Goldman, a lawyer who led Trump's first impeachment hearing, said Trump was "trying to meddle in an election."
  • If the endorsements are intended to sour Democratic voters on the candidates, they're reminiscent of efforts by Democrats to meddle in the 2022 Republican primaries.
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moderation almost always only happens when a user complains

i propose we implement a "mutual-mute" feature

this would make the "problem user" invisible to the complainer


this would also make the complainer invisible to the "problem user"

the mods could make an OPTIONAL moderator-muted-list of users they deemed "inappropriate" so they would be invisible to the public and also invisible to all site members - UNLESS - site members un-checked the OPTIONAL moderator-muted-list
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(in other words, the source and creator of all things is also those things and all things created are pieces of the source)
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It's been both frightening and interesting to watch how open those in control are with their telling us up front both what they think of us and what they plan to do to us.

The openly (and not quite so openly) ways they have talked of depopulation is one that frightens myself. Especially more in the last two years or so with such signs as:

  • The entire Covid theater where they have been caught being the bringers of disinformation. And worse, demanding compliance to measures that they admit aren't helpful yet their implementation is harmful.
  • The entire biolabs research programs, with many suspecting that the U.S. itself might have been the creator of the Covid pandemic, if they are even being truthful on what is causing the Covid sicknesses. The lab in Wuhan is funded with U.S. subsidies for the express purpose of gain of function research, despite the lies before congress the Dr. Frankenstein man placed in charge of this so called pandemic, Dr. Fauci denies.
  • The destruction of both energy and food supplies being purposely conducted by those who are pretending to have the peoples best interests as their jobs.
Before I move on to the Deagle report, I wish to point out two terrifying truths that should wake everyone up, but isn't.

  • Fertilizer shortages will ensure that crop yields are perhaps 40% lower than we've traditionally seen.
  • Multiple food processing plants have burnt down in the last six months. More than one could with any seriousness consider to be normal.
And of course we must acknowledge that the push for world economic and ecological restrictions are designed for life to thrive EXCEPT humans. In order to meet their supposed targets, there's no way we can sustain the level of world population anywhere near the current levels.

In the above link, which is a lot to absorb, I would direct your initial focus on the decline in fertility. A fact that years ago crept up on many, now is becoming more common. I believe it's safe to recognize this has been a purposeful event.

My last non Deagle point would be to mention at this point the Georgia Guidestones.

Most disturbing is the first of ten messages.

  1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
  2. Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity.
  3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
  4. Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason.
  5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
  6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
  7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
  8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
  9. Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite.
And rule 10

Be not a cancer on the earth – Leave room for nature – Leave room for nature.
The first message is a call for genocide. It would entail a reduction of the world population as it currently is of 93% and growing of the current world population of close to 8 billion. Of course, this also presupposes that those folks will have their ability to give birth controlled so as never to produce more children than necessary for a level 500,000,000 balance in human life.

The Deagle Depopulation Forecast

For years now those who have been investigating conspiracies have been aware of a U.S. intelligence group called Deagle.

Their ties to the intelligence community such as the C.I.A. public knowledge.

Several years ago they published a chilling world population forecast. They later revised it to still chilling numbers. And have since scrubbed much of their forecast from the internet, including the WayBack machine. I did however find this still up.

The news looks grim indeed for the United States and much of the so called western world.

To put this in perspective, here is a screenshot taken a few years ago.

As you can see there are, according to their forecast, much pain coming for those of us in the U.S.

According to the census population clock there are at the time of this writing over 332,000,000 people in the U.S.

In three more years, they are predicting a population here of 100,000,000. A reduction of over 66% in people living here.

They are also projecting GDP to fall from its current 19 trillion to 2.4 trillion.

I won't bother listing the other pain points, this is enough for the scope of this examination.

Here are some videos for those more curious.

MIT agrees only their prediction is for total societal collapse by 2040.

I've heard many posit who are more spiritual than myself that there is some karmic law where they have to tell you beforehand. To somehow make you complicit I guess.

I have a hard time with that line of thinking due to all of the billions of casualties daily who were not made aware upfront of their impending hardships or death.
I remember a similar thought process for myself when I was quite young over the assertion the only way to heaven was through Jesus. I wondered what of the many people who hadn't heard of Jesus. Many would answer me they were safe because they couldn't be punished for their ignorance, which sounds conveniently a lot like the karmic law I mentioned a moment ago.

Without knowing for sure, I lean more towards the act of warning beforehand to be tainted a lot with cruelty.

History (and personal experience) demonstrates often one of humanities worst characteristics. To not only abuse those one has power over, but to derive so much pleasure out of it many will flex as they do so. Relishing in the pain those who are powerless to stop them exhibit.

The old rubbing salt in the wound if you would.

We've seen this in most every walk of life, in even what can be quite trivial situations.

In fact, one can quite readily see it on display in stake based systems where flag/stake nullification is allowed.

It seems that there is perhaps a narcissistic compulsion to hurt others to maintain their perceived positions of being superior. I say this as due to my perception it has appeared to me that many of those drawn to power mostly fit the narcissist profile.

I see it in the way many in what are considered positions of power display an entitlement that their lives and their opinions are much more valuable than the commoners such as myself. Believing they are the mold with which one must listen to and emulate (in words not actual actions). I say in words because so many of these fake folks are constantly being caught doing the opposite of what they pretend to do or advise their followings to do.

Much like those who are quick to wish death on their neighbors because we have to many people, yet they never seem to consider that they could put their money where their mouths are and be the first in line to creating that depopulation progress they wish would come already.

In the last years, I've watched my country grind to a halt with ridiculous, exaggerated edicts that were often contradictory and harmful to sustainability.
In the last year specifically, I've watched as every step taken that could derail the economy has been taken. From sabotaging energy, to the supply chain to our food supply.

Just as we saw with the planned 911 tragedy, this is a controlled demolition.

And there appear to be no white knights coming to save the day.

The politicians, and their private armies of law enforcement and military are not only standing down, they are actively supporting these many acts of sedition with their threats of violence.

We have entered very tough times, and I've mentioned one thing several times now.

If you tell me that you consider me your enemy, I'll believe you.

In both action and deed those who control most aspects of the societal agreement have mentioned they believe most of us an enemy when we are not useful for their plans.

I believe them, and their continued moves leave little doubt they are making their final move towards seeing that first Georgia Guidestone message become reality.

Regardless of how much weight you give to these warning that they themselves give to us I do hope you will at least understand one thing. Random or not, the coming pain that is being purposely orchestrated will ensure much hardship and death, and will see neighbors fighting neighbors over the few scraps of necessities that will be available.

Think it can't happen to you and your neighbors. The Donner Party would be a stark wake up call to understanding how far some will indeed go when they face certain death.

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do you believe that people tend to adopt general strategies to deal with challenges they encounter ??

do you believe these strategies are identifiable ??

(1) do you think a person should get their sense of self-worth from within themselves or from what other people think of them?

(2) do you prefer to be spontaneous and go out and travel and do things "IRL" or do you prefer to think about doing things and lose yourself in movies and television shows and books ?

(3) do you think people should generally trust their gut or do you think people should generally think things through ??

(4) do you think people should follow a strict core code of laws or principles no matter what, or do you think that people should follow different rules in different situations ??

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I'll get right to the point.

Ad hominem attacks are basically inevitable.

So, I'm proposing, for maybe a week, at random, all DebateArt usernames and icons be shuffled.

Of course the admins could still see the real userinfo, to mitigate potential abuse posting.

I think it would be very interesting to see how people respond differently to each other without the baggage they inevitably accumulate with familiarity.

and of course, after the wacky-week, everything posted would be re-labeled back to the actual (correct) account that created it (and not the randomized pseudonym).
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a shining example of a typical ad hominem debate

pay close attention to the defense

pay close attention to the face to face attack

this is basically the "super-bowl" of debates
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are the international corporations going to participate in the sanctions against russia ?

in this short clip, i see,


h & m


burger king




levi strauss



why are they not part of this insane conversation ?

if the russian military is acting like a terrorist organization,

why do these companies continue to conduct business as usual in russia ?

It's important to remember the real people of Russia.  They do not hate Ukrainians.

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My platform - any and all code-of-conduct enforcement should be uniform - regardless of the individual being considered and regardless of where they posted

your scathing critique is requested
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On the scale of a single family.

Would you call the functional model of a single family "totalitarian" ?

Would you call the functional model of a single family "communist" ?

Would you call the functional model of a single family "capitalist" ?
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The problem is that we'll never evolve (and never would be more than other primates even with our language capacity) if we never ever trusted what others told us about the past, meaning we inherently do need authority to stop lies being spread or else the lies can just as easily become the 'truth'. It's easy to blame the authority as 'evil' but the alternative is far more sinister and in fact a perfect example of how sinister it can be when authorities fail to stop the spread of falsehood-tainted propaganda and other such lies is the very Holocaust in discussion, meaning it is self-evidently necessary to prevent its denial even to justify said prevention. [**]

Your scathing critique is requested.
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is your argument really that the black supremacist's will overthrow the government and their first act will be to draft sweeping federal laws that create BLACKS ONLY bathrooms and swimming pools and water fountains and schools and libraries ?

is that really why you're completely freaking out about "criticalracetheory" ?


are you afraid that mayonnaise and coffee will be criminalized as a flimsy pretext for mass incarceration of THE WHITE RACE ?

i can't tell if you're joking or not.

please explain this to me.

why am i not even slightly afraid of any of this ?


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Please feel free to make suggestions and or modifications and or more precision to any of these general directives.

Your scathing critique is requested.

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The vast majority of "men's rights" groups are not actually about trying to reverse sexual discrimination against men. They don't even make the effort. They're about undermining feminism and fighting against equality. It's basically the same kind of mindset that pushes some on the right to insist that white people are the real victims. Any erosion of power, however unjust that power position is, makes some people feel like victims of discrimination.

'A Voice for Men' was the most prominent, loud and genuinely awful groups a few years ago. Probably still are. And if you bothered to pay attention to the things they were actually trying to get attention for, it either had nothing to do with addressing actual sexual discrimination or was used as a battering tool against women and feminism. AVfM, in particular, has advanced lies that about half of rape accusations against men are false, that domestic violence shelters for women are just teaching anti-male politics, that domestic violence against men studies were hiding real rates of violence, have doxxed feminists and female protestors, stated that women would be useless if not for sex, etc.
The most common argument in these kinds of groups (again, a majority) is that sexual discrimination against men is a bigger and wider problem than discrimination against women. On its face, it's a rejection of the very basic feminist notion that women are not yet treated equally. And even when they attempt something positive, it's anti-female. Rather than try to seek better care for veterans, AVfM sought better care for male veterans. Like, most veterans are men, why make the distinction except to specifically discriminate against female veterans?

As frustrating and horrifying as these kinds of groups are, the truth is that a bigger part of me just feels sad. Because there are issues that affect men more than women. There are problems that aren't being properly addressed. Men who experience sexual assault at the hands of women, though rarer than the other way around, usually have no recourse in the courts. Because the idea that a woman can rape a man is "silly." Men commit suicide at higher rates and, partly thanks to the sexual roles that push them into both self-reliance and an aversion to asking for emotional support, are less likely to seek help when suicidal ideation takes hold. The outreach aimed at reducing suicide currently works better for women than men. That's a problem. But most men's groups aren't trying to address and fix problems, they're about airing grievances against feminism and women. It's so stupid and pointless.


What you call "the majority" is simply the worst examples that have been AMPLIFIED by media in order to paint the entire movement with a BROAD-BRUSH and create a convenient BOOGIE-MAN to rally against. It's a game. We're all humans and should defend the individual sovereignty of all humans, BOTH female and male, foreigner and citizen, no matter how poor and no matter how rich they may be. They want us to think of each other as "evil", but that's just a game that keeps us fighting amongst ourselves.

I want to live in a world where all humans are treated like humans.

Homeless people are not trash.

Criminals are not trash.

Foreigners (Russians/Chinese/Iranians/North-Koreans) are not evil trash.

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Click this link to create your own version of DEBATEART.COM (well, the forum section at least).




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In high school biology, we learn that humans are born with either XX or XY chromosomes, and that a person’s internal and external sex organs match those chromosomes.

It turns out, however, that BIOLOGICAL sex isn’t that straightforward.

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Do you think that perhaps the function of government could be replaced by open-source software?

All government? No. But some yes. And this is one of those things, like all computer systems, where we're going to have to start with small issues and work out the bugs there before moving on.

The issue is not in "can" we create such a system; the issue will be removing the power from politicians. They will object and will attempt to cause as much FUD as possible.
Artificial Neural Networks are already acting as consultants to JUDGES in bail and parole hearings.

I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that a politician will very soon promise to manage the resources under their purview purely by evidence based, PROCRUSTEAN algorithms.

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