United States Senate Mafia DP2

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I am Ben Cardin.
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@oromagi
I already said that I’m interested in getting both claims before deciding who to pressure. I’ll hold to that, though I agree that Supa’s claim makes him a decent target of suspicion. If that makes me sus, then so be it. 

Much of the rest of my evening will be a Passover Seder, so I won’t be able to provide much input over the next couple of hours... not that much is happening right now.
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@WaterPhoenix
Yes it is sus and I thought it was weird.

Again I have results but to out this person would be a huge loss to town
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All I’ll say there are 1x roles in this game from my investigation because the person I investigated is 1x role. The person should not put themselves now if they haven’t claimed. But i can verify my person has a 1x role

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@whiteflame
I've got my misgivings about Supa's claim, but I'd still like to compare it with Speed's. Since the latter has been pretty weakly active and didn't take his opportunity to claim, I'll push him.
Supa already claimed, why do you need mine?

I'll claim if there's a wagon

What are your misgivings about Supa
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oh wait i just saw my roles a 1x too so i believe you.
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@Speedrace
Supa already claimed, why do you need mine?
Because it's not just about him. Because both of you were on the lynch wagon from the previous DP, and while both MC and GP were on it, they both have open claims and MC has proven his role. Supa might be the lynch for this DP, but I think it's entirely valid to seek more info this DP, particularly as scum only has either a free role claim or a free justification (I'd hedge my bets on them having selected the former).

I'll claim if there's a wagon
Hoping to get one going, though too few people seem to be picking sides on this, given that there are a total of 4 votes going into the last 24 hours of this DP.

What are your misgivings about Supa
I do think his role claim sounds too much like a Role Cop, which tends to be a scum role, though the main problem I have with him is that he's doing nothing to pressure the person he used his 1X Detective on. I understand if he doesn't want to reveal the role, but even saying that he can town-confirm another player and saying who that player is would be beneficial. This dancing around waiting until the person claims is not helping anyone.

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@Vader
I used my detective. I will not out who I investigated til they claim 

Why not?
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He’s leading mislynch trains left and right
  • My logic for the SCUM not hammering, therefore being on the wagon is impeccable. TOWN agrees by and large, you're just whining because this implicates you. 
  • I have not "led mislynch trains left and right." We have not mislynched a single person. I'm progressing the game the only way TOWN has: by interrogating and pressuring. 

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I thought oromagi’s tunnel by Lunatic was inherently scummy because I never seen Luna complain over that.
You hopped on this train too, and you now are trying to justify it with the same logic I was using, and you try to criticize me for "leading mislynch trains left and right"?
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So right now I’d on Chris. His behavior has been so bad this game that it’s pretty comical. 

Ironically your obsession with me makes me want to TOWN read you. I'm not sure if you'd waste your time with this criticism as SCUM. 

I'll bite and say we should pressure Speed.
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@oromagi
I would not consider Chris town confirmed.  I think we've confirmed that he can't hammer himself and this corroborates but does not prove his PACIFICST claim.

If you can point me to where PACIFIST was used as a SCUM role in any game, I'll vote myself
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@Earth
role? justification?
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VTL Speedrace for claim. 
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Vote Count:

Speed (3/5) - Supa, Whiteflame, Chris
Supa (2/5) - Oro, Speed


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@MisterChris
Why not?

There role was a 1x and I did not want to out the person or role if they haven't used it yet. 

  • My logic for the SCUM not hammering, therefore being on the wagon is impeccable. TOWN agrees by and large, you're just whining because this implicates you. 
I was more talking about the Lunatic. Leading the charge near the end seems suspicious. I didn't have a problem with his lynch at the time, but I wasn't the one to take charge. You aren't taking charge here. Yes, I'd be mad if I was lynched as town

You hopped on this train too, and you now are trying to justify it with the same logic I was using
Yes, but you lead this train. It felt extremely forced with little time. I already stated an FoS on Lunatic. Leading =/= agreeing.

Ironically your obsession with me makes me want to TOWN read you. I'm not sure if you'd waste your time with this criticism as SCUM. 
I call bad play when I see bad play. In essence, it's just a game and I think improving play is more important than winning so that people think logically. I'd be doing the same as scum too
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Speed needs to claim ASAP.
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It's about to be hypothetically 5v2 if we do not lynch today assuming 2 scum
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VTL Speed for claim
anyone who hammers is definitely scum by the way
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Speed (4/5) - Supa, Whiteflame, Chris, Water
Supa (2/5) - Oro, Speed

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Approximately 2.5 hours left
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Gary C. Peters, I'm chair of senate homeland security and am in charge of implementing the systems that track down domestic terrorists, I'm the tracker, I tracked Lunatic to no one last night
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Was at a BP tourney, sorry for delay
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@Speedrace
Not sure why you chose Luna, but I do buy this claim more than Supa’s. Will be very busy over the rest of this DP, so I’ll lock in my vote.

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VTL Supa
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Speed (3/5) - Supa, Chris, Water
Supa (3/5) - Oro, Speed, Whiteflame 

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@Speedrace
No X times or even/odds?
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oromagi                                [D]
X>lunatic            Cory Booker[D]        1XGLADIATOR
TOWN
speedrace       Gary Peters [D}
greyparrot      Susan Collins[R]         PROTECC
chris                                                            PACIFIST
earth                    Ben Cardin[D]
waterphoenix                                          1X
whiteflame
supadudz        Josh Hawley{R}          1XDETECTIVE
SCUM


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I note Republican vs. Democrat is one possible theme split. 
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@Speedrace
Was at a BP tourney, sorry for delay
beer pong?
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@WaterPhoenix
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1XROLE COP seems underpowered for a role madness game
wait is this a role madness game if so i'm definitely voting supa

DP1 POST#1

Per the Senate Rules the order of today’s business is a role madness mafia game.