Asexual People

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So that people understand - "sexual" as a root toom is referring to one's sexuality - so to say "a" and "sexual" means to not have a sexuality. That means that you are not attracted to any person sexually -for some, sex does indeed feel good - just because you aren't attracted to other people doesn't necessarily mean that the act itself doesn't feel pleasurable. (That's not how things work) Some asexual people still have sex, because A) It feels good, and B) because it makes their partners happy. However, some asexual people just.. don't feel good when they have sex - through a combination of neurological and sometimes biological factors.

This is just mopping up some misunderstandings. 
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My girlfriend rated me as an A, sexually.
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Some asexual people still have sex, because A) It feels good
No, they don't. Reason B, however, they do.

Just clearing up a misconception.

Asexual people have either got extremely low libido or are wired to not respond to orgasms and stimuli that lead to orgasms how others do, they find them dull overall.

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You are simply false - some asexual people have extremely low libido -typically is only a non-attraction - that is all. Please stop it with your ignorance, its rather annoying. Your argument in the debate you challenged me to only reveals that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. When it comes to gender and sexuality, I do not trust a single assertion you make. 
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@Discipulus_Didicit:

My girlfriend rated me as an A, sexually.
Nice.


@Theweakeredge:

Sexual attraction doesn't constitute the entirety of sexuality. If one has sex, then one is "sexual," attraction notwithstanding. Evoking sexual gratification in an act with and to whom one is not attracted does not exclude its qualification as sexual.
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@Athias
Asexuality - as in reference to homosexual or heterosexual is referring to who you are attracted to

Homosexual - "a person who is sexually attracted to people of the same sex and not to people of the opposite sex"

In general you are correct - and a good portion of asexual people simply do not have libido, do not derive pleasure from sexual intercourse - however - people who simply feel no sexual attraction towards others also fit into this category - as in specific reference to sexualities - not sexuality. 
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Asexuality - as in reference to homosexual or heterosexual is referring to who you are attracted to

Homosexual - "a person who is sexually attracted to people of the same sex and not to people of the opposite sex"
Yes, you have defined "heterosexual" and "homsexual." How does that demonstrate that the entirety of sexuality is dictated by attraction?

In general you are correct
Yes, I know.

and a good portion of asexual people simply do not have libido, do not derive pleasure from sexual intercourse - however - people who simply feel no sexual attraction towards others also fit into this category - as in specific reference to sexualities - not sexuality. 
So, let's apply this reasoning to rape. If an allegedly "asexual" person by your description forces himself on a man or woman, whether that be coerced penetration or envelopment using the reproductive organs/genetalia, would your description be devoid of the characterization, "rape"?
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No... because someone's sexuality and forcing yourself on someone sexually (see the words are different sexually and sexuality) do not correspond. An asexual person can indeed rape other people - would it be of sexual attraction? No. Doesn't mean its not rape, again, seeeemantics. 
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Rape has nothing to do with attraction or even sexual gratification. It's a about power and humiliation. 
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No... because someone's sexuality and forcing yourself on someone sexually (see the words are different sexually and sexuality) do not correspond. An asexual person can indeed rape other people - would it be of sexual attraction? No. Doesn't mean its not rape, again, seeeemantics. 
Don't say, "seeeemantics." You opened the door when you sought to define sexuality. So I'm asking: is it rape if neither party is sexually attracted to the other? How can an act be "sexual" if it's devoid of "sexuality"?

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What? Yes of course its rape - again - sexuality DOES NOT MATTER when it comes to rape. I actually did respond to you I said: " An asexual person can indeed rape other people - would it be of sexual attraction? No" You are being purposely ignorant or an asshole. Choose one and go away, or actually respond to the stuff you copy and paste, because you might as well be a cult recruiter bud.

And I'll say semantics as much as I like - you were the one who attempted to try redefine asexuality  - shifting the burden is typical of you though, so I don't know what I expected
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What? Yes of course its rape - again - sexuality DOES NOT MATTER when it comes to rape. I actually did respond to you I said: " An asexual person can indeed rape other people - would it be of sexual attraction? No"
And I asked you how can a sexual act be devoid of sexuality?

you were the one who attempted to try redefine asexuality
No, I wasn't. I challenged your description by submitting one of my own.

shifting the burden is typical of you though, so I don't know what I expected
Your expectations, your opinions of me, and the like are of no consequence. Keep your focus on the subject we're discussing or our discussion ends here.
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Something being sexual is a general description of intercourse, sexuality is a specific label for individuals regarding attractions. Your questions are ignoring that simple differentiation. 
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Something being sexual is a general description of intercourse
And what does "sexual" describe that isn't generally intercourse?

sexuality is a specific label for individuals regarding attractions
And this is strictly attraction? Demonstrate this.

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I already gave you the definitions - that's all the demonstration

And sexual can also include general discourse about intercourse.
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@Theweakeredge

Sorry to be critical Weaker.

But if anything needs mopping up, it's all those grammatical errors, typo's and contradictions.

Quite frankly, your opening statement was nonsense.


So that people understand.....I would suggest that they refer to a dictionary, for a simple and accurate definition of "asexual".




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@RatMan

That's what is known as a contradiction.
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I am confused, if someone doesn't want to have sex at all but has a high sex drive, something is clearly amiss or deceptive if they say they're asexual right? I think so, unless sexuality refers solely to socially acceptable orientations.

If you masturbate to porn or whatever, you're still attracted to that or maybe I am misunderstanding it. I would not psychologically categorise a high libido individual who simply masturbates instead of having sex as asexual. During Covid lockdown, those that didn't engage in sex weren't suddenly asexual correct?


So if you want sex but don't feel any sexual attraction to anyone then perhaps you have a taboo attraction? I am genuinely confused, I just wish for an explanation how someone who has high libido and genuinely enjoys orgasms can claim to have no sexual orientation that is considered sexual. It's more probable that maybe they have a taboo attraction they don't want to reveal, if you ask me, or otherwise what is it they feel the sexual urges and masturbate over the fantasy of/towards?

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Perhaps I should word it better - you can still feel general pleasure from having sex and that is WHOLY separate from being attracted towards others, because pleasure from sex is not purely attraction - though a lot of asexual people neither feel pleasure from sex nor attracted to others - some do indeed feel pleasure from sex. 
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@Theweakeredge.

For goodness sake, either hit the nail on the head, or give it up.

Is asexual, asexual or not?
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you are being purposely obtuse - sexual and sexuality are different. Please read clearly, I do not feel the need to explain things to someone as intellectually dishonest as you.
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@Theweakeredge.

Nope.

I'm being intellectually honest.

This particular thread of yours, is 99% nonsense.

For some reason or another, you are badly attempting to redefine "asexual".

Sexual and sexuality are obviously relative, but are not the specific issue.


Have a clear read of the dictionary.

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I'm talking about sexuality in a specific context to the definition of homosexuality and heterosexuality - having an attraction to something - that's how all these definitions work. You've said I redefined it - please provide a dictionary definition - I'm getting my interpretation from Asexual people and the definitions of OTHER sexualities

Furthermore - here is what the definition says:
Asexual - "the state of having no interest in sexual relationships:" - or having no attraction to another thing - nothing about this definition means anything about feeling libido DURING SEX - people don't seem to understand this, but are not actually providing any evidence to the contrary, you "say" you do, but so far its just assertions

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In general you are correct - and a good portion of asexual people simply do not have libido, do not derive pleasure from sexual intercourse - however - people who simply feel no sexual attraction towards others also fit into this category - as in specific reference to sexualities - not sexuality. 
How is that reply to Athias and not to me?
You said what I said basically.

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There is a subtlety at hand I feel is being ignored - the label of a sexuality has to do with one's attraction to others - broadly - asexual people do not have sexual attraction towards others, but SOME asexual people do enjoy SEXUAL acts  - it is merely the case that they do not feel any attraction towards any particular person - other asexual people feel nothing or feel repulsed from sex. I have said this over and over. 
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Sexual attraction doesn't constitute the entirety of sexuality. 
Nor does feeling good constitute the entirety of sexuality. The act has variable consequences, both physical, spiritual, and emotional. To qualify that one or another is either primary, or not, and effective, or not, is inconsequential to the fact that the act occurs, and can have variable consequences. It seems to me that is what Edge is saying, and that's all he's saying,  and there's no right, wrong, or indifferent to different people about it. It is variable for each individual.

Edge, good post and topic.
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@Theweakeredge.

Online Oxford dictionaries:

ADJECTIVE.

1. Not involving sexual activity, feelings, or associations; non-sexual.
  
 . (of a person) having no sexual feelings or desires, or not sexually attracted to anyone.

2. Biology

    (of reproduction) not involving the fusion of gametes


NOUN.

1. A person who has no sexual feelings or desires, or who is not sexually attracted to anyone.

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Nor does feeling good constitute the entirety of sexuality. The act has variable consequences, both physical, spiritual, and emotional. To qualify that one or another is either primary, or not, and effective, or not, is inconsequential to the fact that the act occurs, and can have variable consequences. It seems to me that is what Edge is saying, and that's all he's saying,  and there's no right, wrong, or indifferent to different people about it. It is variable for each individual.

Edge, good post and topic.
No, that isn't all that he's saying. He's limiting sexuality to attraction. My contention is that sexual intercourse/contact is a component and cannot be excluded from one's sexuality.
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Um... because given the definition of other sexualities- sexuality IS limited to attraction. 
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Um... because given the definition of other sexualities- sexuality IS limited to attraction. 
No, you offered the definitions of heterosexual and homosexual. And you are assuming that this limits sexuality to one's attraction. Zedvictor was capable of searching a definition which contradicted your limitation.