atheists have a stupid theory about people hallucinating elaborate afterlife stories when they die

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    it's a fact. people often experience elaborate afterlife stories when they die. they're called near death experiences. these are either people experiencing the afterlife, or they're people hallucinating elaborate afterlife stories. this latter point is the only thing that is a rational possibility that an atheist can claim. but it's a far fetched stupid theory. i've seen atheists try to claim people dont experience elaborate afterlife stories when they die, but there's no other way to describe it. they died, clinically. they're not hallucinating random imagery like aliens or fractals or something like a drug trip. no drug causes consistent elaborate afterlife stories for people. what i'm saying is especially true for the exceptional examples. visit nderf.org to get an idea of the basic and exceptional examples. even the basic examples are afterlife stories to some extent. but even if it was just the exceptional examples we used, it's still right to call the situation as people experiencing elaborate afterlife stories when they die. 

    this isn't even looking at the strong scientific evidence for why near death experiences are probably authentic afterlife experiences. 

    it's irrational to say people arent commonly experiencing elaborate afterlife stories when they die. it's a stupid, but admittedly possible, theory to say they're just hallucinating all these stories so consistently. it's at the very least a big mystery as to why they would just hallucinate all this, to which atheists have no good answer, and most of the time their ideas are irrational or incoherent. i expect lots of irrational nonsense from atheists in this thread.
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    i concede it might be better to describe it as people experience elaborate afterlife stories, around, the time they die, as i acknowledge it's possible they hallucinate before or after they die. but as a matter of wording, it's accurate to say people commonly experience elaborate afterlife stories when they die. 
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    Nothing accurate about any of it.....A "stupid theory" perhaps.

    As far as it can be known, hallucinating is function only relative to life and  viability.

    If one is able to recall and recount near death experiences, then one is clearly not dead, and the body mass has remained viable throughout.


    In short.....One either dies, or one doesn't.


    And  theists are pretty good at irrational nonsense themselves. (See above).


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    It's not stupid, dmt could very well be the explanation for NDEs


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    Death, in a medical sense, is when the heart stops beating and cuts off blood to the brain.
    This means the brain’s functions also stop and can no longer keep the body alive.
    The brain’s cerebral cortex — the so-called “thinking part” of the brain — also slows down instantly, and flatlines, meaning that no brainwaves are visible on an electric monitor, within 2 to 20 seconds.
    This eventually results in the death of the brain.
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    Have you ever considered that the people... aren't dead? Their brain I mean - if they have an "afterlife experience" that happens to exactly correlate with their ideas of what the afterlife is like - why isn't is just more likely that they imagined something? That their brain couldn't handle not being able to function and repressed the memories of blackness  - you do know that happens all the time with traumatic experiences, right? 
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    Funny how every time someone has a near death experience, they always visit the afterlife they already believe in and never anyone else’s. Id love to hear about a Christian facing death and seeing Allah there to greet him.

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    do ya'll also believe in an afterlife gene or something in our brains? i've pointed out the only way it's possible for this to be hallucination is for us to have evolved, like our beliefs in God and such, to sometimes hallucinate this stuff. but every time i point out that the only way it's true for us to hallucinate this, is for there to be a gene or something in our brain causing it atheists so consistently insist that's not what their position is. An afterlife gene or something does sound stupid, i know, but it's the only rational alternative to people actually experiencing the afterlife. 

    i understand that people seeing the afterlife sounds too good to be true, but that's pretty plainly a possibility, if not the best explanation when you look at books like "evidence for the afterlife" by dr long. but i dont think it's possible to not admit, if you are honest, that people just conistently experience eleboarate afterlife stories. there's no reason it should be that way that they have these experiences, but that's the way it is. 

    it's not common for atheists to even say it's possible that they've expeirenced the afterlife, even though that's an obvious possibility. maybe if you press most atheists they'll admit it. there's a large number though, who are more likely to just say there's absolutely no evidence for the afterlife, when this is to anyone with a brain, plain evidence for the afterlife. remember, i'm just saying it's evidence, i'm not saying i've made ground breaking arguments and proven the afterlife with no doubt.


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    it's irrational to say people arent commonly experiencing elaborate afterlife stories when they die. it's a stupid, but admittedly possible, theory to say they're just hallucinating all these stories so consistently.
    Right...
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    Some atheists have this problem. Not all of us do.   

    Yet, given we don't believe that life continues past death, the only think that makes sense is that the chemicals in our brains are causing us to recall things that don't actually happen. Think of De Ja Vu  for instance. This is the phenonmenen that occurs to people which makes them think they are experiencing something they have not actually experienced before - due to chemicals. 
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    It's not common for theists to say that it's possible for Pink Unicorns to exist. Even though that's an "obvious possibility".

    Does this do any other than suggest an unlikely possibility?



    Though, are there scales  of possibility.....Measuring from obviously possible, to not so obviously possible, all the way to obviously not possible.


    Afterlife and Pink Unicorns......Though reasonably common to say.....Nonetheless, not obviously possible....Perhaps hovering somewhere between the not so obviously possible level and the obviously not possible level.