Short answer,
I don't know.
Maybe they're the same, rough enough,
In some of their variations.
I wouldn't be satisfied though, in labeling myself in Subjectivism, rather than Nihilism.
Long answer,
Apparently a bunch of unhinged ravings.
I'd not bother reading it, I don't manage to pull it together into anything coherent 'enough.
Yet it stays with me, and as I've thought it and typed it, I may as well post it.
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I agree Nihilism is self-contradictory,
And I think Nihilists continue to live despite Nihilistic conclusions or beliefs, because it doesn't matter in a way.
Human going to human.
I don't know the difference between Nihilism and Subjectivism.
. . . I'm not even 'quite sure how to define them, but one 'has to label themself.
Perhaps Nihilism is more self aware?
And Subjectivism is more recognition that people will hold different views and values based on their position?
I assume however that Subjectivism can still assume there is a 'correct Moral position, some people will just believe the wrong position?
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Hm, history. . .
We often cut people in history slack, for actions or values of their time, as we understand the effects of Nurture.
They were a good person (For the time period they lived in)
Moral Subjectivism, might still assume there to be a "correct" or "superior" morality?
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I made a comment on a debate about Pantheism recently,
As soon as good, evil, harm, meaning, oughts, ideals, morality, ethics, truth. Pop up,
Rather than expected to occur, or consistent with framework of a subjective system.
I think Burden of Proof often pops up as well.
. . . Moral Subjectivism. . . Makes the claim that there are many moral positions, and that they are all valid within themselves?
Even if they are opposed by other moral systems, they are still valid?
While Nihilism might argue none of them are valid, and that it is an illusion?
. . . I 'think even Moral Subjectivists 'do tend to fall into habits of acting, saying, and 'assuming they are Objectively correct?
Humans are habitual creatures, very fond of norms, established rules?
Nihilism I suppose is a frustration at the contradiction?
A continued awareness of the void?
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A person might say slavery is wrong,
B person might say slavery is right,
Moral Subjectivism, slavery is both right and wrong.
Nihilist, might say they cannot both be right,
What you are describing is an individuals 'acceptance of the concept.
What you are requiring is a contrary to humans.
Something cannot be right simply because it matches with what you want.
You cannot be 'Righteous with your belief when it means no more than it's opposite.
You cannot fight against slavery and against torture, cannot claim it 'Right, when you admit the opposite is also Right.
THEY CANNOT BOTH BE RIGHT!
Even if we will end up acting and often thinking as if the path we choose is right.
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In his heart, the Moral Subjectivist takes an action and says even though this is dependent on my beliefs, it is right.
In his heart, the Nihilist takes an action and says even though this is dependent on my beliefs, it is not right or wrong.
The Moral Subjectivist attempts Societal Change, The Hypocrite!
This is wrong according to our values they say, but what they mean is this is wrong.
What 'Rightness is in a robot? IT'S JUST F****** ROCKS FALLING IF ITS JUST CODE!
NO! I AM NOT A ROCK!
And so I scream in contradiction, ego, and hypocrisy even in myself.
I think it's Opposite to the human condition, to believe in Subjective Moral Right,
We are built to believe in Moral Right.
Even if we understand Nature and Nurture, and that different people will reach different conclusions.
We are built to believe that Morality truly exists, that it is more than personal opinion.
Yet the F****** truth cannot be escaped when I examine the problem.
There is no morality, only directives.
If even that.
The Nihilism expands, and one doubts the 'classification of anything, cabbages and kings? Word games, meaningless sounds between voids, that never refer to the same.
“Like seeing roasted meat and other dishes in front of you and suddenly realizing: This is a dead fish. A dead bird. A dead pig. Or that this noble vintage is grape juice, and the purple robes are sheep wool dyed with shellfish blood. Or making love—something rubbing against your penis, a brief seizure and a little cloudy liquid. Perceptions like that—latching onto things and piercing through them, so we see what they really are. That’s what we need to do all the time—all through our lives when things lay claim to our trust—to lay them bare and see how pointless they are, to strip away the legend that encrusts them. Pride is a master of deception: when you think you’re occupied in the weightiest business, that’s when he has you in his spell."
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
But there is nothing left when everything is fully deconstructed.
Man cannot live by truth, because truth is meaningless, there 'is no truth,
When we are dead, it is as we never were,
When the final human dies and falls, will it make a sound?
"She should have died hereafter;
There would have been a time for such a word.
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing."
-Macbeth