Is anything perfect.

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yo make sense
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free will is perfect
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So you are saying god needs glasses?
So the  patriarchal { he/male } God needs  glasses. LOL

Rather, it is the irrational, illogical lack of common sense fundamentalist who need a brain that does rational, logical common sense processing 95 perecent of the time instead of only 3% of the time.

Is the she/female version of God more less irrational than the he/male version of God?

God = Universe aka finite, sum-total set of occupied space integrities.



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Damn, you talked the talk but didn't walk the walk. 
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Update: Franklin declined the challenge to debate.  
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free will is perfect
Are human actions CAUSED (OR) UNCAUSED?
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explain
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(IFF) human action is CAUSED (THEN) PERFECT GOD CAN CONTROL HUMAN ACTION BY CONTROLLING THE CAUSES OF HUMAN ACTION

(IFF) human action is UNCAUSED (THEN) NOBODY CAN CONTROL OR PREDICT HUMAN ACTION
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Human action is caused by something that preceded it.




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(IFF) human action is CAUSED (THEN) PERFECT GOD CAN CONTROL HUMAN ACTION BY CONTROLLING THE CAUSES OF HUMAN ACTION

(IFF) human action is UNCAUSED (THEN) NOBODY CAN CONTROL OR PREDICT HUMAN ACTION

interesting... the causes of human action do stem back from God
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(IFF) human action is CAUSED (THEN) PERFECT GOD CAN CONTROL HUMAN ACTION BY CONTROLLING THE CAUSES OF HUMAN ACTION

(IFF) human action is UNCAUSED (THEN) NOBODY CAN CONTROL OR PREDICT HUMAN ACTION
interesting... the causes of human action do stem back from God
AND GOD IS PERFECT
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correct
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correct
PERFECT GOD = PERFECT HUMANS = PERFECT WORLD
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PERFECT GOD = PERFECT HUMANS 
incorrect, a perfect God could have perfect intent to create imperfect humans
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PERFECT GOD = PERFECT HUMANS 
incorrect, a perfect God could have perfect intent to create imperfect humans
HUMANS = PUPPETS OF GOD
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not puppets
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not puppets
Did PERFECT GOD know what humans would do before they were created ?
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Which humans in particular...There's been a few billion to choose from.

And that's both before and after humans invented a perfect GOD.
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Great vid.

One more question.

Does PERFECT GOD = PERFECT WEATHER ?

(forget about humans for a second)
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lol no
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Does PERFECT GOD = PERFECT WEATHER ?
lol no
Did PERFECT GOD know what the weather would be before the earth was created ?
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Eloquently stated.

However, perhaps you might consider the following example.

You eat a lot of delicious food (because you desire delicious food because you've developed a habit of eating things in order to live and they might as well be delicious things) and some time after you've eaten your delicious food, you feel an almost irresistible impulse to rush to the bathroom.

What is the CAUSE of your impulse in this case?
Food-poisoning, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea

The operative terms are "in this case."

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What is the CAUSE of your impulse in this case?
Food-poisoning, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea
Do these CAUSES also have CAUSES ?