The many debates on systemic racism in America are flawed

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IS THE CONSTITUTION PART OF THE SYSTEM OF WHITE SUPREMACY?
PERHAPS A CASE CAN BE MADE FOR THAT, BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FUNCTION OF THE SUPREME COURT
WHAT DOES THE FUNCTION OF THE SUPREME COURT HAVE TO DO WITH A THREAD ABOUT SYSTEMIC RACISM?
I HAVE NO IDEA, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT UP THE CONSTITUTION IN THE FIRST PLACE.

If you want government bureaucrats to be in charge of determining what human rights you deserve,
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
Not quite. The politicians who think they have the right to rule as totalitarians still have the Constitution to keep them in check. But even that can only last so long when people have no desire for freedom. Just give them their iphone and a bag of Cheetos and they'll let the government bureaucrats do whatever they want.
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Do you even know what we are discussing right now?
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Do you even know what we are discussing right now?
I'm following your lead.
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Then we shouldn't be discussing the function of the Supreme Court. We are discussing the concept of systemic racism and how it is part of larger neo-Marxist system that will lead to a totalitarian takeover.

But you seem to believe we are already under totalitarian rule because some unidentified group of politicians own the Supreme Court, and that is apparently a bad thing because you believe the Supreme Court should also respect the Constitution. But you also are arguing for the concept of systemic racism, which identified the Constitution as being a driver of systemic racism and white supremacy.

To summarize the inconsistency, let me put it in a format you may prefer:

  • If the Constitution is a form of systemic racism
  • And the Supreme Court is tasked with upholding the Constitution
  • Then the Supreme Court is perpetuating systemic racism

You can't consistently argue against systemic racism and for the Supreme Court to respect the Constitution - a systemically racist document.
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You can't consistently argue against systemic racism and for the Supreme Court to respect the Constitution - a systemically racist document.
Ok, so what's your policy proposal ?
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Ok, so what's your policy proposal ?
That question shows me you still don't know what we're discussing.
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Ok, so what's your policy proposal ?
That question shows me you still don't know what we're discussing.
Feel free to explain.
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Then we shouldn't be discussing the function of the Supreme Court. We are discussing the concept of systemic racism and how it is part of larger neo-Marxist system that will lead to a totalitarian takeover.

But you seem to believe we are already under totalitarian rule because some unidentified group of politicians own the Supreme Court, and that is apparently a bad thing because you believe the Supreme Court should also respect the Constitution. But you also are arguing for the concept of systemic racism, which identified the Constitution as being a driver of systemic racism and white supremacy.

To summarize the inconsistency, let me put it in a format you may prefer:

  • If the Constitution is a form of systemic racism
  • And the Supreme Court is tasked with upholding the Constitution
  • Then the Supreme Court is perpetuating systemic racism

You can't consistently argue against systemic racism and for the Supreme Court to respect the Constitution - a systemically racist document.
Shorter summary:
  1. Neo-Marxism, which is the ideology that systemic racism is a main part of, is totalitarian.
  2. You are being inconsistent.
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Neo-Marxism
What the hell is neo-marxism ?
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It is the ideology from which the whole concept of systemic racism comes from. It's a new form of Marxism. Neo-Marxism.

If you are going to argue in favor of systemic racism, you would be wise to understand the rest of the ideology that goes with it.
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You can't consistently argue against systemic racism and for the Supreme Court to respect the Constitution - a systemically racist document.
Sure you can.

Systemic-Racism™ is not a monolith.

There are many types of Systemic-Racism™ and it manifests in many different forms and has many different proximate causes.

Any Systemic-Racism™ that may or may not be contained within the constitution is unlikely to invalidate the whole.
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It is the ideology from which the whole concept of systemic racism comes from.
I see.

So this, "neo-marxism" stuff is the true source of Systemic-Racism™ in Hindu culture for the past 5000 years ?
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lol wth are you talking about?
all you do is pivot to critical race theory and.. neo-marxism?
Just tell me this... does systemic racism exist in america?????????

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That depends on how you define "systemic racism," and whether that definition stems from neo-Marxism
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So this, "neo-marxism" stuff is the true source of Systemic-Racism™ in Hindu culture for the past 5000 years ?
No. Systemic racism, as it is most widely used in the current cultural context of the U.S.A., is part of a larger ideology that can be identified as neo-Marxism.
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So this, "neo-marxism" stuff is the true source of Systemic-Racism™ in Hindu culture for the past 5000 years ?
No. Systemic racism, as it is most widely used in the current cultural context of the U.S.A., is part of a larger ideology that can be identified as neo-Marxism.
So, I checked into it, since you've made it into your own personal boogeyman, and it turns out that "Neo-Marxism" is a meta-theory.

It's a theory of how humans function in a post-industrial society by attaching their personal identity to a BRAND and or a PERSON.

For example, someone might describe themselves as a "star-wars fan" or a "marvel comics fan" or a "coke drinker" or a "pepsi drinker" or a "trump fan" or a "republican" or an "SJW" or whatever.

"Neo-Marxism" recognizes this new landscape of modern TRIBALISM and examines the interplay between the TRIBES and the dynamics within each TRIBE.

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At it's core, it is just another attempt to create an oppressor/oppressed relationship. Just like Marxism.
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That is a very convincing argument...
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At it's core, it is just another attempt to create an oppressor/oppressed relationship. Just like Marxism.
You're talking about THE HEGELIAN DIALECTIC.
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If you're looking for a "true source" of the ideology of today, then Hegel would probably be the place to go. Even the term "neo-Marxism" would not exactly be accurate to describe what we are today. The term "Woke" or "Wokeness" is used now to describe the current stage we are seeing in this progression.
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If you're looking for a "true source" of the ideology of today, then Hegel would probably be the place to go. Even the term "neo-Marxism" would not exactly be accurate to describe what we are today. The term "Woke" or "Wokeness" is used now to describe the current stage we are seeing in this progression.
And do you consider yourself a post-Hegelian ?
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At it's core, it is just another attempt to create an oppressor/oppressed relationship.
So would you say that "oppression" doesn't exist ?
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And do you consider yourself a post-Hegelian ?
No.


So would you say that "oppression" doesn't exist ?
I believe oppression exists. I am unsure whether "oppression" exists.
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do you believe an oppressor/oppressed relationship also exists ?
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do you believe an oppressor/oppressed relationship also exists ?
Only where true oppression exists. 
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Oppression certainly exists. The question is, who is oppressing? The lead argument in this string suggests it is not systemic in that no law or policy has oppression as  its articulated objective. Lacking that language, I would have to agree that oppression is not systemic, or such laws and policies would express it, as Jim Crow laws once did. But that is in the past, except woke people have gone to shit and don't know anymore what's what. It's all ass-backwards. Woke is dead asleep.
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If racially hateful/biased laws are not explicitly so, then it's the people who are taking the law into their hands, not the system.

Based OP.