How hypocritical 99% of society is

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They should both carry equal penalties under the law.

For example, video of children speaking ill of their own parents (or even parents in general) should be censored in the same manner and with the same urgency as bestiality.
If you have read the book of Leviticus, you would know what a ridiculous statement that is - if you are seeking to apply consistent principles of textual interpretation of course.
Can you be slightly more specific ?
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Can you be slightly more specific ?
Why? Even if it did somehow require equal punishment under the law, that wouldn't change the fact that bestiality is immoral.
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Can you be slightly more specific ?
Why? Even if it did somehow require equal punishment under the law, that wouldn't change the fact that bestiality is immoral.
Well, there appear to be some subtle, yet rather important distinctions between degrees of "immoral" and I'd like to make sure we're all on the same page.

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Well, there appear to be some subtle, yet rather important distinctions between degrees of "immoral" and I'd like to make sure we're all on the same page.
The original question was question whether bestiality is immoral or not. If we agree that it can be categorized as "immoral," then the degree of immorality is irrelevant. We have already answered the original question.
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Well, there appear to be some subtle, yet rather important distinctions between degrees of "immoral" and I'd like to make sure we're all on the same page.
The original question was question whether bestiality is immoral or not. If we agree that it can be categorized as "immoral," then the degree of immorality is irrelevant. We have already answered the original question.
You're overlooking the foundation, the moral bedrock.

HOW exactly did you reach that conclusion (the bible tells me so) and HOW exactly can we determine the degree of "immorality" of any particular act ?

The degree seems to be salient, since the text you referred to presents parental-contempt and bestiality exactly the same.
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Well, there appear to be some subtle, yet rather important distinctions between degrees of "immoral" and I'd like to make sure we're all on the same page.
The original question was question whether bestiality is immoral or not. If we agree that it can be categorized as "immoral," then the degree of immorality is irrelevant. We have already answered the original question.
ALSO,

Does the holy scripture perhaps explain when and where it is appropriate to inflict pain and discomfort on other living creatures ?
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You're overlooking the foundation, the moral bedrock.
Determining if something is immoral is more foundational than determining how immoral something is.

Does the holy scripture perhaps explain when and where it is appropriate to inflict pain and discomfort on other living creatures ?
How is this relevant to the clear command not to engage in bestiality?
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You're overlooking the foundation, the moral bedrock.
Determining if something is immoral is more foundational than determining how immoral something is.
Determining WHY something is immoral is more foundational than interpreting text.

I read an old book.

The book says "A person who cooks beasts and birds alive is cooked alive in boiling oil by Yamadutas here, for as many years as there were hairs on the bodies of their animal victims."

But this book doesn't go into a lot of detail as to exactly WHY this behavior is immoral and or WHY it should be punished.

Following a book works great if the book EXPLICITLY details every possible moral violation (and sadly this does not appear to be the case).

The book would work much better if it simply revealed the CORE MORAL PRINCIPLES (CoMoPr) on which these otherwise rather arbitrary edicts are founded.
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Does the holy scripture perhaps explain when and where it is appropriate to inflict pain and discomfort on other living creatures ?
How is this relevant to the clear command not to engage in bestiality?
It seems likely that one of the two admonitions might be redundant.
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Bestiality is not condemned because of the pain or discomfort caused to the animal.
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why is it condemned?

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1. Because God says so.
2. Because it goes against the natural order. Sex is reserved for a married man and woman - a human man and woman.
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Bestiality is not condemned because of the pain or discomfort caused to the animal.
Perhaps the neighbors filed a noise complaint ?
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Because it goes against the natural order. Sex is reserved for a married man and woman - a human man and woman.
If you could write laws, in order to make them as much like your god intended, would you treat all portrayals of non-married and or non-hetero sex (including implicit sexual relationships and or references to self abuse) exactly the same as bestiality ?

ANd if not,

WhY not ?
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Are you agreeing that the Bible considers bestiality an immoral act to some degree? Because the fundamental issue is if bestiality is immoral.
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2. Because it goes against the natural order. Sex is reserved for a married man and woman - a human man and woman.
What is wrong with a man and a man or two women? Do you perhaps see them as wastes of time that amounts to nothing substantial or are you just openly homophobic, or what?

I mean, animals can't consent to human sex, just like why pedophilia is incorrect(Children can't consent). However, saying that sex is between a man and a woman isn't the full picture as there are extremely many examples of two men consenting and those consents matter.



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Do you perhaps see them as wastes of time that amounts to nothing substantial or are you just openly homophobic, or what?
By homophobic, are you implying I have an irrational fear of homosexuals?

I mean, animals can't consent to human sex, just like why pedophilia is incorrect(Children can't consent).
So consent is the only issue with bestiality? Meaning if animals could somehow consent, there would be no longer any moral barrier from having sex with them?
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So why do you believe that sex should be between a man and a woman, and not two men nor two women?
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You didn't answer my questions.
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Are you agreeing that the Bible considers bestiality an immoral act to some degree? Because the fundamental issue is if bestiality is immoral.
I'm agreeing that the holy scriptures consider bestiality to be exactly as bad as parental contempt.
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You do an excellent job at answering questions I don't ask while ignoring the questions I do ask.
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You do an excellent job at answering questions I don't ask while ignoring the questions I do ask.
We agree on the text.

You picked the text.
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Where did I agree that bestiality is exactly as bad as contempt for parents? I asked a specific question and you responded by making a false assertion that didn't actually answer the question.
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Where did I agree that bestiality is exactly as bad as contempt for parents? I asked a specific question and you responded by making a false assertion that didn't actually answer the question.
The exact same phrasing "cursed" is used to condemn bestiality and parental contempt.

And by the way, "honor your mother and father" also appears to share equal gravity with "thou shalt not kill" in the decalogue.

Your holy scripture seems to lack some fundamental precision.
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You did it again. You are answering a question I did not ask while ignoring the question that I did ask.

My question:
Where did I agree that bestiality is exactly as bad as contempt for parents?
Your response:
The exact same phrasing "cursed" is used to condemn bestiality and parental contempt.

And by the way, "honor your mother and father" also appears to share equal gravity with "thou shalt not kill" in the decalogue.

Your holy scripture seems to lack some fundamental precision.
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My question:
Where did I agree that bestiality is exactly as bad as contempt for parents?
You implicitly agreed when you delegated your sense-making to the holy scripture (deuteronomy twenty seven).

Now you are locked into finding a distinction between the two admonitions in the same holy text.
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You implicitly agreed when you delegated your sense-making to the holy scripture (deuteronomy twenty seven).

Now you are locked into finding a distinction between the two admonitions in the same holy text.
By rejecting God, you have implicitly agreed to abandon any foundation for morality other than personal opinion. That means you cannot say bestiality - or any other depraved and wicked behavior such as pedophilia and rape - is an action people should not engage in if they want to.

You have also implicitly agreed to abandon reason by denying the undeniable existence of the God who created the entire universe.

Now you are locked into trying to find purpose and meaning in a purposeless and meaningless universe.
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Look, I'm perfectly willing to believe in an all powerful omnipotent omniscient creator of all things.

That's fine.

That's good.

I just want to figure out what this APOOCOAT wants me to do.

You seem to think you know what APOOCOAT wants me to do.

So I'm asking you, how can I figure this out when you're not around for me to ask ?
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We agree that you have no foundation to tell anyone not to engage in bestiality, pedophilia, or rape if they want to.
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We agree that you have no foundation to tell anyone not to engage in bestiality, pedophilia, or rape if they want to.
I'll just wave an old book in their face like you do.