I think the human condition would simply be too prickly for you to adapt industrialization to humans to the parity/better degree necessary than evolving humans past their prickly nature.
We have the same premise. Industrialization can't adapt to human nature. The mainstream solution is to adapt humans through medication as one example and their are other opiates for the masses as well, to suppress their nature. We agree here, I think you misunderstand me. I was criticizing the cure you suggest, which seems worse than the disease. deindustrialization solves for all the same problems, and has the benefit of being more predictable. Post humanism may never happen, and perhaps it won't happen in any way you would predict, and is certainly out of your control
This is absolutely a semantics game lol.
"Extinction" evokes emotions of death and meteors smashing into the planet wiping out life. That's the emotion you're attempting to latch on to. Whilst you're technically correct, you could simply use the word 'evolved' and be as technically correct.
It's similar to how Neanderthals evolved into humans. Yes, Neanderthals technically went extinct, but they evolved into something better. They didn't all die in horrible ways in a life-ending event. Neanderthals that have never existed aren't upset about not being alive.
What you're doing is filtering your human experience (i.e. "preservation instinct") and transposing it onto potential future humans that don't have to exist. These potential future humans won't miss existing if they never existed at all.
No, not the way I intended. Posthumanism would be a very pleasant extinction. Perhaps swapping out tiny pieces of your soul, gladly and overtime. A computer chip to replace your brain, here and there. Kind of like a ship of Thesseuss type thing, to bring us into posthumanism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
This extinction would not be similar to how neanderthals evolved into humans, because neanderthals died in a more gradual way (if we buy your theory of evolution) . Posthumanism could happen in our lifetime. Me and you, we are transhumanists, but we could also be posthumans in this lifetime, if we have some sort of runaway artificial intelligence explosion. A technological singularity.
So no. The extinction I talk about, would be gradual. It would happen to us, not our children. It would be pleasant, and it would be voluntary. None of those things, means it is a good thing.
You have already died mesmer. The you that was a child, is unrecognizable from the you that exists now. For all intents and purposes, the child that used to be you, is dead. It's sad. I'm sure as a child you were pleasant and adorable. Now that child is dead. It's a sad thing, perhaps you can fool yourself into thinking that child did not die, because remnants exist.
In a posthuman world, yes the death would also be gradual, but no remnants would remain, beyond perhaps the memories. You'll be the new theseus, but none of the old pieces will remain. It's worse for you though. With posthumanism, you aren't swapping out old pieces for new ones. You are swapping out old pieces for different and new pieces. You'll be dead.
I don't think transhumanism and posthumanism can be used interchangeably
transhumanism is just shorthand for this belief in the same philosophy of posthumanism. There is no transhumanists, vs posthumanists. Both transhumanists optimistic about posthumanism and those skeptical of it, would get the same umbrella term of transhumanist.
I'm not sure it's necessary that humans will lose all power over transhumanist advancements.
I want you to read this now. It will only take a few hours. We have lost control of technology. It controls us, not visa versa. Read this now, this is the intellectual opponents of transhumanists, not normies. In fact write to uncle Ted, he responds a lot, but do not write him without reading all of his work. All of it. You seem to acknowledge that we have lost control of technology by suggesting the solution to industrial society is posthumanism, which fixes the problems created by industrial society. Read, understand and respond to your real adversary. These other luddites, are easily swayed anyway.
