In general, I'm amazed we're giving Evil so many chances here. Anyone else would have been lynched by this point, and the only reason we're holding off is that some people see this as noob behavior.
He's done this exact same thing before: he gave an OMGUS response to Disc as scum in the Pokemon game.
If we weren't considering other facets of his behavior, like his about-face on the reason why he VTL'd me or his decision to parrot reasoning from both Luna and me as a means of making his behavior look more in line with the rest of us, then I would have good reason not to sus him here.
If Luna wants to push a lynch on Pie, then Evil's flip will certainly be instructive in that, so I don't know that we stand to lose anything meaningful by lynching him.
Wylted and whiteflame's participation on the lynch seems more genuine, though I suppose I can see a world whiteflame is brazenly leading this lynch as scum as well. Wylted is usually part of lynches like these, though I could be wrong on him as well.
I think Evil is town. Bron I’d be open to
VTL EvilLets get on with it
Gameday today! Won't be around much for the whole day as I will be tailgating.
Let's keep in mind the vote you had on evil was clearly a reaction test, and first post 4 pages later doesn't even mention your vote on him, so whether it is actually OMGUS is really just your interpretation of things. If it was true omgus, I'd have expected him to at least mention the vote on him as reason for his reactionary vote
You are on my scum pile already. Why do you wanna eliminate me? I’m Vanila.Vtl WF
So where is the scum based calculation now? We know there are two scum, so is his scum partner okay with this lynch? Why isn't he guiding evil in a different direction? Evil basically seems to already be admitting defeat if you look at post 163. You guys keep expecting him to make a better argument for himself, if he was scum don't you think now would be about time to do that?
How serious do you actually think he was about lynching you, considering he didn't even vote you when he suggested it lol. And again, why you of all people? Scum don't calculate this out and say "Oh whiteflame will be an easy lynch, lets go for him and see who bites". That's a town move, and it takes balls. If you are town and genuinely interested in scum hunting, you do something like that. Sure he reason is probably horrible or whatever, but it's the motive we should be looking at.
I am not trying to mis-represent your point. If you are expecting some grand case from evil genius that makes his every decision sound like a brilliant one, you will be sorely dis-appointed is all I am saying. His reasons for suggesting your lynch may have been poor, but he never actually voted you or seriously put an effort into lynching you beyond that post, so he couldn't really substantiate a reason for "backing off of it" as you are suggesting he should. I think you are making a bigger deal out of his prospected motives then you ought to. That said I still think you believe this is a genuinely good lynch based on your comments here. Debating with you whether evil is behaving noob town vs scum with you is probably a waste of time. If he does flip scum I'll probably feel a fool anyway. I am mostly suspicious of this wagon based on other's votes and reasoning here making less sense than yours however. Pie in particular.
What do you think of pie claiming evil was town when he responded to wylted's pressure early on? This was before evil ever even made a post. And now he is full send trying to lynch evil. What do you think of his reasoning of using the terms "us" and "We" as making evil scum indicative? Do you agree with pie that this verbiage is only used by scum, or do you see that as being oppertunistic at all?
For the record, I am literally the only person giving him noob pass right now, so you can just call me out by name here. Oh and btw you used the pronoun "we're". By pie's logic you are scum.
And he was town in the pokemon game.. Hmmm
Whiteflame assuming evil is lynched here, who is his scum partner? What type of communication do you see happening in the scum pm to allow him to do and say the things he's saying?
Evil being mislynched in pokemon: Y’all are making a mistake on this one and Disc is just misleading y’all.. can’t you all see ?Evil being lynched in vanilla mafia: I have told you guys repeatedly that I’m innocent but you don’t wanna give me a chance.
Let's be honest here, there isn't a world where any question he could have answered from you would satisfy you enough to unvote. You have everything you want and know he is dumb enough to dig his own grave with his answer, and then when he flips town you can avoid any and all blame here because evil is just retarded/noob town or whatever you will say.
This is a horrible argument. I use these pro-nouns often as town, pretty sure you and others have too. If anything this is a town slip, as he is naturally thinking and coming from an perspective where he realizes the only way to accomplish anything is by influencing his team, where in order to do that he would have to refer to his team as "us" and "we" to make any collective decision. At best this is a null tell.
I'd really like to see a pie lynch here. I think there is a good chance he is scum. He is an pretty aggressive scum player, and this is a very oppertunistic lynch for him.
I'm not sure what his scum partner is doing. I think trying to consider that too deeply is likely to yield more uncertainty at this point than anything else, but I wouldn't be too terribly surprised if Pie was scum and was just bussing him.
I don't think it was a scum tactic. I think it was just how Evil operates.
I've got my suspicions of Pie. I also think that, like I said before, Evil's flip will be far more instructive to us on Pie than anything that has been said so far. You're right that Pie will likely dismiss it as just misreading noob behavior, but that doesn't mean that he'll get away scot free if he tries to do so. And yeah, I agree that his focus on the pronouns is silly. I also don't think it's necessary to make his point, and I don't think it's particularly useful for him if he is scum, so I can't read that either way.
The impression I'm getting is that everyone who isn't on the lynch at the moment reads this as noob behavior. If this kind of thing was coming from one of the longer standing players, the lynch would already have gone through. You're the only one to specify that that is your reason, it doesn't mean that you're the only one giving him that pass.
And I've pointed out the differences between his behavior in that game and in this one. So yes, if he had persisted in that response, I would have townread him for that.
Can't say I'm convinced by the similarity. I think he has as much reason to give this response as town and as scum, don't see a reason to townread him over it.
For experienced people like us, yes I’d agree it’s a bill tell. But you have to keep in mind that Scum Evil would not be at all experienced. I don’t have a problem with him using us or we. It’s the (town) part.
I’m aggressive regardless of my affiliation. It’s what I said to Supa last game.
WHat changed
You got to work on that vote count. Numbers all off.
I don't see how newness has any effect on the general principle that useing town pronouns grouping himself into the whole is any more or less of a scum tell. It's still pretty null.
I highlighted the reason why I changed. You’re welcome to go read the DP.
I never was planning on hammering.
Again if he just used “we” and “us” I’d agree that it was null. But he specifically said “we (town)” and us “(town).”Have you seen that in any previous game where he was town? Cause I sure haven’t.
