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@Plisken
Psychobabble ignored. I'll answer you:
Truth is another word for fact. Facts are based on reality. So, in a word, one could say truth IS reality(the only real point Mopac ever got right).
That's a good analogy but only applies at a certain point, so it doesn't directly make sense. The evidence of "experiences" is suggestive at a certain point, but what happens to get you to that point is a head scratcher. For instance, if someone sees an apparition that communicates to them that they will be in a car accident next week... that is not something you have to wonder about what you saw. You saw something, but which spiritual platform can answer what you saw would be the suggestive part.A hole in a tree could be "suggestive evidence" of a giant(such as Sasquatch) sodomizing a tree. Or, it could be evidence that someone shot the tree with a cannon. Or it could be evidence that a laser was misfired and hit the tree.
A lack of an explanation does not serve as an explanation, which is essentially what your entire argument relies on."I can't come up with a better explanation, so god musta done it."
Your entire argument relies on one gigantic fallacy brother. Your argument fails.
Have you ever heard of schizophrenia?
You arbitrarily rejecting a definition you don't like(because it makes you wrong) is not an argument.
What the hell does this even mean? Only fools? So a person that thought the world is round when everyone was saying flat was a fool? A person that believed we could fly was a fool? At every point in human history... people that suspected things "could be" true are the ones that have progressed humanity. It's this strong belief that something can be true that is an awesome implication of our minds. If you are referring to believing it's 100% true without any sort of evidence at all to suspect it... i would agree. But there is more than enough evidence to suspect spirituality. To believe 100% the platform you have is the truth is foolish. But to suspect, which is the extent of what i am talking about, is not foolish at all. Your one sentence to me makes no sense considering that is what i'm talking about. It seems like a C&P you arbitrarily sent that likely is meant for religious people... i am in no way religious nor do i hold 100% belief in any one platform. I have certain platforms i believe to be the most likely ... but this isn't about that. I personally need a reason to even start trying to imagine a platform that would make sense... my reason to even going there is bc i would say there is sufficient evidence to give me a go on that leap. To suspect there is some sort of spirituality is not illogical nor is it foolish.It's really quite simple dude: Only fools believe something is true when they don't KNOW it's true. End of story.
What the hell does this even mean? Only fools?
Spiritual doesn't mean god. By spiritual i could mean two things. 1) a reality / phenomena we aren't aware of; 2) Same thing as 1 with addition to this reality / phenomena having intelligent / sentient entities in it. Aliens would be spiritual by my definition just as much as a god would be spiritual. If i say there is a spiritual reality that interacts with this reality and is why we have spiritual experiences i am referring to case 2. But in no way am i saying it is only a god that can interact with this reality in an unseen way. It could be god, gods or just aliens. It's unknown. I think it's arrogant to say nothing of either case 1 or 2 for sure doesn't exist. I would say there is enough evidence to at the very least suspect that there is a spiritual reality.Plus, just bc spirit entities, more on the lines of what you are saying, are man made doesn't mean they don't exist. We've thought of many things that have later turned out to be reality. Humans are capable of this foresight. But to be clear that's why i say agnostic atheist would be logical too. The atheist in that would mean, to me at least, that one could also be confident none of the man made religions have it right and/or there isn't one religion that has it all right.
So no there is very little room for agnosticism or even a moderately neutral view. He's as hardcore atheist as it gets. Easy to see in his replies.
That may be true, but your examples are real things that can be tested and measured, and they don't violate any laws of nature.So a person that thought the world is round when everyone was saying flat was a fool? A person that believed we could fly was a fool? At every point in human history... people that suspected things "could be" true are the ones that have progressed humanity.
Most likely, the opposite is true, that he has considered them and that it is actually YOU who has not given them any thought or consideration beyond your cognitive bias.One thing agnostics are very attracted to are logical spiritual platforms that really could be true. It doesn't seem like to me he's considered such platforms.
That may be true, but your examples are real things that can be tested and measured, and they don't violate any laws of nature.Spirituality has never been shown to exist, cannot be tested or measured and most certainly violates a number of physical laws, so there's no reason whatsoever to pursue such foolish notions.
Now, has it every been shown to a large group of people under scientific scrutiny, no. But i don't think that's how it should work to begin with. Yes, these forces have an effect we can "all" see, well at least all scientists studying it. Spirituality doesn't, it's more individual accounts very rarely group accounts.
I know you guys like to stick to the "never been shown" but that just isn't true to me. . I don't think there is a good enough argument for me to not suspect some type of spirituality exists.