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@ethang5
Running away I see. Ya can't fix cowardice.
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People who act like antifa are as bad as fascists enable fascists.
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@vagabond
No content post. Trollish behavior. Reported.Running away I see. Ya can't fix cowardice.
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@Zeichen
A lot of people from those countries you listed come to America to get better care. The thing about comparing those countries to ours is that you are comparing countries with lower populations and homogeneous populations. They have a higher trust society than America. Here, it is very likely people will abuse a free health care system. Besides that, America is the leader in medical innovation. Switching over the UHC will throw a big wrench in that. We are the leading country in all the new medical discoveries we provide for everyone else. Is halting innovation worth it? Plus, right now, we have a system in place for people that don't have health care. There are free clinics, you can't get turned away by the ER, volunteer clinics, etc. People already have means to get health care if they really need it. Why do i have to pay more taxes for people to get health care when they already can do it themselves...
The only way i can see it maybe working is if we allow 1) more competition; and 2) to allow government to be among the competition. I don't see a way around not having government get involved bc our current system is broken. I don't think merely letting them compete without government involvement would work. But... i def. don't see having government control it all would work either. I think that would be a disaster to be honest.
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@ethang5
Lefty liberal
Think its about time the US rounded up anarchists again and threw them in the nearest stateless land. I hear Somalia is beautiful this time of year
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@1harderthanyouthink
People who act like antifa are as bad as fascists enable fascists.
Fail to see the need to heavily differentiate the two. It's like the difference between a "racist" and a "bigot" nowadays. One being worse doesn't mean the other is magically not also a pile of shit.
Plus, a group primarily comprised of anarchists and more specifically the variation therein of it, and communists, who have been active in political violence and rioting since the 90's and the inception of the WTO, aren't positive moral actors.
Plus when "antifa" labels anyone to the right of Lenin, a Facist, an authoritarian, ultranationalist identitarian, and socialist ideology, just about everything under the sun becomes "Facist", which is how the group operates today funnily enough.
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@Buddamoose
The failure to differentiate the two is a striking failure of nuance when antifa is bashed for showing up to tell Nazis they aren't welcome where they killed someone a year prior, or when they stand against their genocidal rhetoric. But yeah, same thing.
the failure to differentiate the two is a striking failure of nuance
Speaking of striking failure of nuance
when antifa is bashed for showing up to tell Nazis they aren't welcome
This is far from the only activity of antifa. They've been a persistent unorganized group that surfaced in the US since the 90's and the founding of the WTO.
"antifacist" does not mean they are actually solely antifacist, anymore than labeling something Facist, actually makes it so. Words are not a magic wand that you can wave and *poof* it is so.
where they killed someone a year prior,
Charlottesville, ok. So you are agreeing that the actions of one affiliate(degree be damned) necessarily make the whole associated group guilty of that crime?
This instance also, outweighs repeated violent activity since the 90's?
or when they stand against their genocidal rhetoric.
Not the only thing they stand against, well, alot of stuff they protest against is conveniently defined as genocidal in nature. Like policing, borders, immigration control, the US as a whole, Donald Trump, etc. Because again, when you have a group that defines everything to the right of Lenin as Facist, everything consequentially becomes a matter of violent threat.
Didnt say they were the same, said differentiating morally to a fine degree seems rather unecessary.But yeah, same thing.
Antifa is again, a loosely affiliated and relatively uncoordinated group that is generally composed of Anarchists, especially the specific variation thereof of Communism. Since the WTO protests of the 90's they've been involved in loads of property damage(WTO "protests", Baltimore Riots, and many many others).
They're becoming prominent now because the left is sitting silently. The extreme polarization is only emboldening them and giving them rightcheous vindication, gained from ridiculously biased and ignorant views of the group, to get more destructive and more violent. Case in point, the recent "Unite the Right" rally. Seeing estimates of 20-40 people who were white supremacists. Thousands of antifa show up and go about wrecking property, attacking reporters, and chanting handy slogans like "no borders, no wall, no USA at all"(Hrrrm, sound suspiciously like advocacy for anarchy 🤔.)
what they do often is piggyback off of whatever protest is deemed most politically correct(or when actual Facists do for once protest) and use that as an excuse to wreck things and attack others, and were doing so long before charlottesville.
"These people want to eliminate us all!"
Not even accurate to Neo-Naziism and White Nationalism as ideologies, *BUT* even if...
>20-40 people in D.C.
>a few thousand in Charlotte
the threat is a relative spook, but sure lets act like everyone is in exigent danger from them but that's not gonna let this "antifa" lose out on an excuse to wreck shit, be violent, and posture as moral actors against a bogeyman
Tl;dr- aren't you just cute talking about enabling 👏🔥
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It's time for the US to throw out anarchists again. It worked enough for near a century. Drop em off in the nearest stateless land or land in civil turmoil. Last time it was Russia, that's too cold, I hear Somalia is beautiful 🔥.
Better hurry though, Somalia is set to instill a government again this year 😎
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@Buddamoose
Charlottesville, ok. So you are agreeing that the actions of one affiliate(degree be damned) necessarily make the whole associated group guilty of that crime? This instance also, outweighs repeated violent activity since the 90's?
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@1harderthanyouthink
Charlottesville, ok. So you are agreeing that the actions of one affiliate(degree be damned) necessarily make the whole associated group guilty of that crime? This instance also, outweighs repeated violent activity since the 90's?
Excerpt from "tired subject" link
"In total, extremists killed at least 34 people in 2017. The far-right accounted for 59% of these deaths, or 20 deaths."
Again, its a spook. Also, far-right includes ALOT of ideologies, its not exclusive to Facist, Neo-Nazi, or White Nationalist.
But lets not ruin the chance to enable "antifa" to commit property crime, violence, and posture as moral actors
Second link,
"Right-wing extremists...were responsible for 115 incidents within the same period(2008-2016)."
"They also caused 79 deaths."
Such a danger, but lets not ruin the chance to enable "antifa" to commit property crime, violence, and posture as moral actors.
Such a danger, but lets not ruin the chance to enable "antifa" to commit property crime, violence, and posture as moral actors.
all the while the definition of Facism mysteriously spreads and even incorporates concepts such as "sovereign-individuality" and "national sovereignty" according to "antifa". Again,
"They engage in violent protest tactics, which has included property damage and physical violence. They tend to be anti-capitalist and they are predominantly... anarchists, communists and socialists. Their stated focus is on fighting far-right and white supremacist ideologies directly, rather than politically.
Stated focus =/= actual focus. And again, Antifa has showed up to a host of things with nothing to do with Facism or white supremacy. For example, Antifa "protested" Ben Shapiro, an orthodox Jew, and created plenty of property damage and need for heightened security in the face of it. Yes a Nazi Orthodox Jew... what tipped them off to that one i wonder? ;)
Again, look how cute you are talking about enabling something :)
Again, look how cute you are talking about enabling something :)
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@Buddamoose
It is clear enabling to distract from actual murders and interpersonal violence with property damage. Unless you think property is more important than people?
Not saying you do. But there are more than a few that would indicate such as their belief.
Factually, right-wing extremism has engaged in more ideologically-charged murders and assaults than left-extremists (including antifa) over the years. As a result, I think it's stupid to identify any group as equally deserving scorn.
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@1harderthanyouthink
People who act like antifa are as bad as fascists enable fascists.
aNTiFA r dUH rEEL Fa$ShiEscts!!1111!!11!!111one1!
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@1harderthanyouthink
Me: "It doesnt seem necessary to finely differentiate morally the two"
You: "But muh tens of murders"
Me: "yes, but tens is a spook. The crazy amount of property damage, repeated violence, and broadening scope of "facist" is not a spook. When it comes to which threat is more prescient and real, that would be antifa."
You: "But muh murders"
Also, "Right-Wing extremism has engaged in more ideologically-charged murders and assaults than left-wing extremists(including antifa)
Your citations only involve murder, and you do realze antifa only just got labeled an extremist group? So they haven't been counted in statistics up till recently you dope 🙃
Me: "I fail to see the need to finely differentiate between a person who would kill you as a means of silencing opposition, and a person who would smash your shit and beat you up as a means of silencing opposition"
You: "but muh murders"
Look how cute you are still talking about enabling 🙃
Me: They aren't the same, they're still both shitty, and throwing glitter on a pile of shit, doesn't change that it's still shit.
You: BuT MuH MurDeRs by groups not necessarily Facist or White Nationalist
Me: They show up to alot more than when Facists show up
You: But muh murders
Why dont you just come out and say you think anyone to the right of Lenin is Facist already
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@1harderthanyouthink
I think a more helpful mode of comparison, rather than spelling out which group has more members that have resorted to violence (given that both sides at Charlottesville hated each other equally, it just as easily could've been a leftie who plowed his car into a crowd), we should ask which group puts a greater emphasis on violent action in its rhetoric (among its members), which is more willing to state (and believes) that violence is necessary to accomplish their aims and therefore justified, etc.
It's also helpful to ask what the end goal of either group is.
Enabling according to 1h- "Both are shitty, one less so.
Not enabling according to 1h- Smashing shit and beating people up is totally ok as long as you claim you are fighting against Facists.
Even if its clearly obvious that's not the groups agenda. Nope, according to 1h, groups are always exactly what they say they are.
You heard it here first folks,the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is in fact Democratic and a Republic.
Makes me wonder what all the fuss is about them being a dictatorship? Obviously that's impossible cause it says right in their name they aren't 🙃
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@1harderthanyouthink
People who act like antifa are as bad as fascists enable fascists.
I think it was, and I just whooshed myself right into taking it 😂😂 well played 😂😂
One of the most valuable assets of a civilization is its dignity.
Dignity Ranking:
1. Western Europe/Wealthy East Asian Countries/Canada
2. United States/Australia/Israel
3. Russia/China
4. South America/Middle East
5. Africa, especially Sub-Saharan Africa, which is at the bottom of the totem pole
Things that may serve to confer dignity:
-A long history of independence
-Material prosperity (most important)
-A fascinating traditional culture and for your country to have been around for a long time
-A strong military/high performance in wars
-A strong democracy and low levels of corruption
-A longstanding peaceful society
Things that may serve to detract from dignity:
-Having long been under subjugation
-Being economically underdeveloped (most important)
-Being a recently born "artificial" country (like, say, the Democratic Republic of the Congo)
-Underperformance in wars
-A weak or nonexistent democracy, and high levels of corruption
-A reputation for violence, civil wars, and coups
When a country has dignity, we human beings are more likely to give a crap whenever something bad happens to its citizens. That is, we actually place a higher value on their lives than we do on the lives of people from countries which lack dignity. This isn't fair, as nobody can help what country they were born into, but that's the way things are and, for all intents and purposes, have always been. Donald Trump said aloud about Haiti what a lot of people have long thought.
When a people lack dignity in the eyes of others, outsiders have lower inhibitions about imposing crap upon them. When a people do not perceive themselves as having dignity, they're less likely to resist when outsiders impose crap upon them. In a country that lacks dignity, the people of said country are less likely to work to maintain what they have. It encourages corrupt leadership.
Dignity in the eyes of others is something that must be worked for. It usually takes a minimum of several decades to build it up. Dignity in one's own eyes is much easier. The likes of Booker T. Washington, W.E. Dubois, the various great thinkers of the Harlem Renaissance, MLK, and Malcom X helped the black community attain this. However, with the exception of MLK (though to be fair people before him laid the groundwork for his success), they failed to attain the long-term dignity of Black Americans in the eyes of outsiders. Blacks initially started out with no dignity, having emerged from centuries of enslavement. The quickest way to gain dignity would've been to become economically well off, but this didn't pan out. With the exception of Booker T. Washington, these various intellectuals failed to put enough emphasis on economic development.
South American republics used redistributive economic policies in part as an assertion of dignity, a declaration that "We have a right to not live in abject poverty and not take crap from rich people". However, as this usually served to erode democracy and prosperity, in the long term they were reducing their own dignity.
Russia has sought to increase its dignity though military might, but they're doing this instead of investing in a modern economy so in the long term they're going to end up quite undignified. Saudi Arabia has used oil to become wealthy and buy instant dignity for itself, but this hasn't translated into a viable modern, post-oil economy so 20-30 years from now they'll likely end up quite undignified also.
China has taken concrete steps to build up its dignity through economic development and a sort of faux pacifism that's lasted for decades, though under communist rule there is probably an upper ceiling as to how much dignity they can have, and in coming years they could erode much of what they've gained.
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@ethang5
+1
But then I think that all people should have free medical care (that is, paid for by the government).
Dueling should be legalized. It's the most natural way for men to settle their disputes.
Albeit with a strict burden of proof, if it can be proven that a person levied a false sexual assault charge in court that person ought to be charged with a felony crime with a sentence of equal severity to that for sexual assault, and put on a sex offender blacklist upon release.
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@bsh1
Me too. But it isn't possible given our system right now.
Do you have an idea how it would be paid for?
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@ethang5
I support single-payer health care.
The Estada Novo regime is unfairly maligned, the reasons for its collapse are fundamentally misunderstood, and vanishingly few of the 'decolonization movements' which forced an anti-war government to defend their citizens from guerilla warfare were genuine. The decolonialism lens through which these conflicts are viewed is woefully inaccurate, and that viewpoint's ubiquity just pays testament to the historical illiteracy of most Westerners. The majority of them, especially the ones which have failed to produce functional countries, were the result of attempts by USA and USSR sponsored guerilla fighters to gain a geopolitical foothold in neutral, peaceful territory. The annexation of the Goa States was an act of warmongering by Indian nationalists concerned with territorial expansion, and the horrific invasion and military occupation of East Timor by Indonesia should weigh heavily on the conscience of anyone who feeds into this narrative.
The only successful former Ultramar Português territories are those which were originally uninhabited, such as Macau, Cape Verde, and São Tomé and Príncipe. These were all peaceably granted freedom after the Carnation Revolution, a military coup in Portugal itself supported by domestic communists with ties to the USSR which was only possible after the USSR and USA used subterfuge and brutal warmongering to exhaust a country which had pursued a staunch neutrality policy since the close of WWI. The whole nation-wrecking saga resulted in millions of Angolans dying in the decade-long proxy war which followed indepenence, the complete obliteration of domestic peace and economic security in Mozambique, and the slaughter of dissidents in Guinea-Bissau followed by one-party rule, all so that the USA and USSR could have a few more open spaces on their international chessboard.
In cases where police officers kill African-American individuals who are innocent of crimes:
(1) The burden of proof on the prosecution in their criminal trials should be lowered to the balance of probabilities, rather than the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard.
(2) The criterion for excessive force should be redefined to be any use of beyond what is reasonable given all the facts of the case, including the benefit of hindsight (e.g. whether the individual had a gun, not whether it was reasonable to believe he had a gun).
In addition, I support two specific reforms:
(1) Police officers should be required to wear body cameras, and, in these cases, turning off body cameras without sufficient justification should be an offense that leads to immediate termination of employment.
(2) There should be quotas for racial minority representation in police departments.
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@bsh1
I think that all people should have free medical care...
I support single-payer health care....
Contradiction?
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@Tejretics
”In cases where police officers kill African-American individuals who are innocent of crimes:
(1) The burden of proof on the prosecution in their criminal trials should be lowered to the balance of probabilities, rather than the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard”
There is literally no justification for changing the rules exclusively for black people
Yeah