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Gnostics are a gap religion between monotheism and polytheism. They believe in this one true secret God out there beyond the universe that nobody could know and never really created anything. And they believe Christ served that god and not the god of Abraham. They believe the other gods are real and you can work through them to get the best one true God that's for some reason hiding out beyond the edge of the universe. They also are heavily influenced by psychology there's a lot of Jungian concepts and there's a lot of alchemy and a occult concepts. The major arcana in the tarot that was developed by Crowley, the Fool's journey, is sort of based on the Gnostic journey. They also believe that there is a divine feminine aspect tied to the divine masculine. They're more of don't follow religious rules follow spiritual practices kind of thing which makes me believe he's not a gnostic at all because he engages from what I can tell in no spiritual practice whatsoever. It sounds to me like he has been influenced by psychologist who was trying to let him keep his Christian religious aspects intact that he liked but getting rid of those stuff he didn't like.  Because he only speaks to certain concepts within the religion and not all the other stuff as a matter of fact he tends to turn down his nose to a lot of the other stuff so I don't know how he thinks he can practice one aspect of the religion but not the others. But either way I'm pretty sure he's just somebody who also has another account here because of the way he posts are too familiar with another poster and this is just a way for him to beat up on Christians but say he's a theist. But a lot of the Masons and other ceremonial magical practices including Crowley's Thelma are based off Gnostic texts. And Thelma is the basis for Wicca which was developed in the 50s/60s. 

Boy this whole atheist lying thing is at a whole new level this week. Let's quote a post and then say it says something it doesn't you're being dishonest even with shit that's in black and white. Fucking disgusting.

Churches love cash.  Jesus never did.

[Jesus] surrounded himself with rich and influential people in high places

.... And I don't remember reading anywhere he told these particular buddies to give away all of there worldly possessions.

And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse:
But be shod with sandals; and not put on two coats.

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
or where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?
No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.
And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:
And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?
And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.
And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.
But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?

And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.
The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.
Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
    because he has anointed me
        to bring good news to the poor.

 He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.
He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.

Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.
But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:
And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

[Jesus] surrounded himself with rich and influential people in high places

I think you are thinking of the Art of the Deal.  The most rich and influential man Jesus ever met Pontius Pilate, who promptly put Jesus to death.

.... And I don't remember reading anywhere he told these particular buddies to give away all of there worldly possessions.

You don't?  That's on you, buddy.  Jesus famously surrounded himself with 12 fisherman who hadn't a single boat or net between them and a prostitute.

fisherman who hadn't a single boat or net between them [.............................]I don't know how you could have missed it

  Jesus is vague on many points

but on one point he is very clear- you cannot be rich and Christian.  You cannot be Christian and rich.

for instance Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea. I didn't mention his enemies.

Fishermen that never owned a boat.  Well that is novel.  They were fishermen. Tell me what were they doing with all the fish they caught? Selling it or giving it away free to the poor? They were businessmen in the fishing industry. FFS!

I don't think I missed anything , but you certainly missed this>>>

Matthew 4:21-22New King James Version

21 Going on from there, He saw two other brothers, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in the boat with Zebedee their father, mending their nets. He called them, 22 and immediately they left the boat and their father, and followed Him.

 Jesus was a Jew. Jesus never once mentions the word Christian or Christianity in the whole of his life time. The four gospels never mention the words either.

Nicodemus is not a buddy of Jesus. ...He was Pharisee

Joseph of Arimathea is not a buddy of Jesus. 

They did own boats and nets and fished for a living. 

oromagi, wrote: Jesus famously surrounded himself with 12 fisherman who hadn't a single boat or net between them.#67

You cannot be rich and expect to go to heaven.

They left their jobs, their purses and all their money, all their food at Jesus's specific request, Jesus specifically demanded that they stop being businessmen to follow him, for fuck's sake, how could you possibly have missed this?

Nicodemus was a ruler and member of the Sanhedrin and a secret disciple of Jesus  that Jesus taught the mysteries of the meaning of being reborn and all in secret under the cover of darkness. John 7:48 And a rich man. 

Joseph of Arimathea is not a buddy of Jesus. 

Jesus was said to have been put into the private tomb in the private grounds of Joseph of Arimathea whom had asked Pilate for the body of Jesus.

And both were friends and supporters of Jesus in high powerful positions

as was Gamaliel Zacchaeus,

Levi, and "certain" unnamed Pharisees along with Chuza, Herod’s business manager.  

Luke’s Gospel especially highlights Jesus’ enjoyment of food, his acceptance of costly gifts and his keeping company with the wealthy.  Are you saying they weren't well paid for their services.  Then there was the wealthy women that Jesus sponged off "of their substance". FFS wake up you clown. Jesus had surrounded himself with the rich and powerful while commanding others  to give away everything they owned.

They left their jobs, their purses and all their money, all their food at Jesus's specific request, Jesus specifically demanded that they stop being businessmen to follow him, for fuck's sake, how could you possibly have missed this?

So you will be showing us this "specific" evidence then?

From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
And they straightway left their nets, and followed him.
And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them.
And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed him.
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.
And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

Nicodemus was a ruler and member of the Sanhedrin and a secret disciple of Jesus  that Jesus taught the mysteries of the meaning of being reborn and all in secret under the cover of darkness. John 7:48 And a rich man. 

You should also concede your claim that Nicodemus and Jesus were not buddies.

Joseph of Arimathea is not a buddy of Jesus. 

Jesus was said to have been put into the private tomb in the private grounds of Joseph of Arimathea whom had asked Pilate for the body of Jesus.

Joseph put Jesus in his own personal tomb, in fact. 

But you claimed that Joseph of Arimathea and Jesus were friends

when no gospel suggests that they ever met. 

And both were friends and supporters of Jesus in high powerful positions

This is false. 

as was Gamaliel Zacchaeus,

No gospel makes any mention of him.

Levi, and "certain" unnamed Pharisees along with Chuza, Herod’s business manager.  

Since Levi gave up tax collecting and followed Jesus, this disproves your claim that Jesus did not counsel Levi on the perils of wealth

Chuza was Herod's epitropos, in Koine Greek a household stewart but business manager is entirely possible.  Traditionally, this was the job of a trusted slave.  Chuza did not follow Jesus but his wife, Joanna did after Jesus healed her.

Luke’s Gospel especially highlights Jesus’ enjoyment of food, his acceptance of costly gifts and his keeping company with the wealthy.  Are you saying they weren't well paid for their services.  Then there was the wealthy women that Jesus sponged off "of their substance". FFS wake up you clown. Jesus had surrounded himself with the rich and powerful while commanding others  to give away everything they owned.

Your claim was, "I don't remember reading anywhere he told these particular buddies to give away all of there worldly possessions,"

but the Gospels say over and over that Jesus did just that. 

If you are saying that Jesus hypocritically lived the high life at his rich friends expense while chastising others, I would say that the Gospels support no such claim.

They left their jobs, their purses and all their money, all their food at Jesus's specific request, Jesus specifically demanded that they stop being businessmen to follow him, for fuck's sake, how could you possibly have missed this?

So you will be showing us this "specific" evidence then?

You quoted the relevant passages yourself, although apparently without comprehension.

• that the Apostles (including or as well as Levi/Matthew) gave up their jobs to follow Jesus
  
• If you think otherwise, just cite the specific passage where they went back to  work
• that Joseph of Arimathea and Jesus ever met
  
• If you think otherwise,  just cite the specific passage where they meet
  
• that Gamaliel Zacchaeus and Jesus ever met
  
• If you think otherwise,  just cite the specific passage where they meet
  

oromagi, wrote: By lack of response, you seem to have conceded 

oromagi, wrote: They left their jobs, their purses and all their money, all their food at Jesus's specific request, Jesus specifically demanded that they stop being businessmen to follow him, for fuck's sake, how could you possibly have missed this?

Why should a lying church get a tax break, for just being a place where lies and fictions are taught as fact?

Why should liars get away with their religious lies and get tax dollars back for being liars?

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Jesus Lovessssssssssssssssss cash. 

The great lord asks for a measly 10% pa from each christian. 

 Thats reasonable right ?

www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/7-reasons-christians-not-required-to-tithe/

 There's nothing saying you have to give 10% in the New Testament.

From jesus crucifixion to a full Christian holy book?