debate.org vs dart

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@Shila
You're a determinist Michael. Determinists will forever limit their potential.
do you think the same thing about "indeterminists" ?
They are both opposite sides of the same coin.
what's the "middle-ground" ?

maybe "semi-indeterminist" ?
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@RationalMadman
Tautology, you define a best debater as that.
So the most influential orators in history who had regular interlocutions with opponents and have managed to this day to persuade hundreds of millions to billions of people of positions despite their writings being thousands of years old is not a good tautology for a "best debater"?

Should we be looking at people who fail to convince anyone of things? Is this our metric? Isn't the purpose of a debate to have more convincing arguments and be more persuasive?

So why would the best debaters not be people who were successful at this?
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man you assume so much it's not even worth engaging.

Jesus didn't debate people to get followers, neither did Socrates.
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Isn't the purpose of a debate to have more convincing arguments and be more persuasive?
that's why i advocate for SELF-MODERATED DEBATES

instead of overtly appealing to a panel of judges or some random silent audience

the ONLY person who can properly determine how CONVINCING your arguments are

is the PERSON you are debating

SELF-MODERATED DEBATES
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How the fuck can you represent DART if you're only a member since August 11th 2022? You aren't even DART enough.
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How the fuck can you represent DART if you're only a member since August 11th 2022? You aren't even DART enough.
i guess pro sports stars

can't switch teams
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@RationalMadman
How the fuck can you represent DART if you're only a member since August 11th 2022? You aren't even DART enough.
I mean, I didn't know RationalMadman's arbitrary length of time on a website qualification counted as a real qualification for this imaginary tournament. I used to be on DDO, too. But I would rather be on the DART team because DDO devolved into horseshit and I don't want to represent horseshit.

Jesus didn't debate people to get followers, neither did Socrates.
I didn't say they did. I said they were so successful that they are still converting people to their positions even after thousands of years. I mean, can you think of a more persuasive debater than someone who is still converting hundreds of millions after their writings are thousands of years old?

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@Shila
I would love to debate but I worry about gender bias.


What an excuse. Danielle was rank 1 on DDO way back in 2012. Are you saying people are more sexist in 2022 then they were in 2012? make some debates, stop lying to yourself that anyone gives two sh*ts about your gender.
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I would love to debate but I worry about gender bias.


What an excuse. Danielle was rank 1 on DDO way back in 2012. Are you saying people are more sexist in 2022 then they were in 2012? make some debates, stop lying to yourself that anyone gives two sh*ts about your gender.
You just showed Gender bias “that as anyone gives two sh*ts about your gender.”

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@3RU7AL
the ONLY person who can properly determine how CONVINCING your arguments are

is the PERSON you are debating

SELF-MODERATED DEBATES
Well few people are going to be convinced of something based on a debate they had. Many will just still think they are right even when all the facts and evidence are overwhelming that they are wrong.

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the ONLY person who can properly determine how CONVINCING your arguments are

is the PERSON you are debating

SELF-MODERATED DEBATES
Well few people are going to be convinced of something based on a debate they had. Many will just still think they are right even when all the facts and evidence are overwhelming that they are wrong.
That is why you need moderators and judges.

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the ONLY person who can properly determine how CONVINCING your arguments are

is the PERSON you are debating

SELF-MODERATED DEBATES
Well few people are going to be convinced of something based on a debate they had. Many will just still think they are right even when all the facts and evidence are overwhelming that they are wrong.
that's why you need MORE than just "facts and evidence"

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@Shila
That is why you need moderators and judges.
the ONLY "judge" of a debate (that matters) is your opponent
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That is why you need moderators and judges.
the ONLY "judge" of a debate (that matters) is your opponent
Is that how Biden saw Trump during the presidential debates? Biden dismissed Trump several times during the debate as irrelevant and out of touch.

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@3RU7AL
that's why you need MORE than just "facts and evidence"
ETHOS; PATHOS; LOGOS.

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@Shila
the ONLY "judge" of a debate (that matters) is your opponent
Is that how Biden saw Trump during the presidential debates? Biden dismissed Trump several times during the debate as irrelevant and out of touch.
and do you think that was an effective tactic ?
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the ONLY "judge" of a debate (that matters) is your opponent
Is that how Biden saw Trump during the presidential debates? Biden dismissed Trump several times during the debate as irrelevant and out of touch.
and do you think that was an effective tactic ?
Biden won both the debates and the elections. Most would agree that was an effective tactic.

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the ONLY "judge" of a debate (that matters) is your opponent
Is that how Biden saw Trump during the presidential debates? Biden dismissed Trump several times during the debate as irrelevant and out of touch.
and do you think that was an effective tactic ?
Biden won both the debates and the elections. Most would agree that was an effective tactic.
i doubt trump found it personally persuasive though
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the ONLY "judge" of a debate (that matters) is your opponent
Is that how Biden saw Trump during the presidential debates? Biden dismissed Trump several times during the debate as irrelevant and out of touch.
and do you think that was an effective tactic ?
Biden won both the debates and the elections. Most would agree that was an effective tactic.
i doubt trump found it personally persuasive though
That is why Trump is still in denial.