Arizona Republican Party used the Big Lie to raise money from their dummy constituents

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Sure, but you cannot deny that if Beto had more volunteers from the DSCC or even more money, Beto could’ve done far better. Manchin was an incumbent. 
Every campaign would do better with more resources. So what? How does this prove your point?

The difference is that one side wants to claim the power to pass bills only with 50 votes + the VP. The other side refused to do it. With great power comes great responsibility 
So the democrats are incompetent because many of them wanted to accomplish something with even less of a majority that the republicans wouldn't even try?

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Every campaign would do better with more resources. So what? How does this prove your point?
I think he means the Democrats should have left Manchin alone and tried to get someone more reliable elected. A Congressional vote is a vote no matter what state it comes from or what color it is. As long as you are not an independent like Manchin.

Pie is just saying that the Democrat party is incompetent for relying on independents and supporting them when they could have supported a partisan.
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The independents? I thought you believed the current elites when they said they could fix the economy?
Under Fat Donald Trump we had 16% unemployment, a massive government bailout of businesses and the unemployed, and multiple trillion dollar deficits

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and multiple trillion dollar deficits

Thankfully, Joe Biden reduced those deficits by devaluing the saving of Americans to the tune of...think it's up to 9 Trillion now worth of permanently lost IRA assets due to inflation?

Thank god Americans are finally paying their fair share under the wise leadership of the Democrats.


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I think he means the Democrats should have left Manchin alone and tried to get someone more reliable elected. A Congressional vote is a vote no matter what state it comes from or what color it is. As long as you are not an independent like Manchin.
It's basically what I'm getting, and it's complete nonsense. Manchin is extremely valuable to the democrats, he's a democrat holding a Senate seat in one of the reddest states in the nation. No other democrat in WV would have a chance at that seat, so without him Mitch McConnell would've been the Senate majority leader for the last two years. To claim democrats should not be fighting to support him is absurd.

Pie is just saying that the Democrat party is incompetent for relying on independents and supporting them when they could have supported a partisan.
Yes, and it's a stupid point. The democrats are playing the hand they are dealt, that's the opposite of incompetence. It's also remarkable how every criticism he's throwing at Biden and the democrats can be thrown at Trump and the republicans just the same if not worse. Not the anyone on the right cares about hypocrisy anymore.
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Thankfully, Joe Biden reduced those deficits by devaluing the saving of Americans to the tune of...think it's up to 9 Trillion now worth of permanently lost IRA assets due to inflation?
Oh yes, the President of the United States controls inflation. I forgot that from my college economics class. What an idiot. They even control inflation in every other country too.

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Oh yes, the President of the United States controls inflation. I forgot that from my college economics class. What an idiot. They even control inflation in every other country too.
His administration does. World currencies backed by the dollar have taken a massive hit from the administration's print and spend policies. That's fine since the world really didn't need USA to remain the arbiter of petrodollars anyway.

You better help Yellen get the message out that we are not in a recession before November polling opens good sir.

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Every campaign would do better with more resources. So what? How does this prove your point?
If there’s finite resources, allocation is what matters. So reallocating resources is what Dems should’ve focused on, rather than propping someone up who would’ve lost the following cycle anyways.

So the democrats are incompetent because many of them wanted to accomplish something with even less of a majority that the republicans wouldn't even try?
GOP didn’t try out of principle for the most part. It’s the Dems who’ve flip flopped around. It’s easier to persuade one vote than like 35 to vote to end the filibuster lol
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It's basically what I'm getting, and it's complete nonsense. Manchin is extremely valuable to the democrats, he's a democrat holding a Senate seat in one of the reddest states in the nation. No other democrat in WV would have a chance at that seat, so without him Mitch McConnell would've been the Senate majority leader for the last two years. To claim democrats should not be fighting to support him is absurd.
You have got to be kidding me. The point is that you knew what you weee signing up for. You can’t cry wolf when you knew you could end up relying upon a Democratic in one of the most red states. Beto would’ve easily been that 50th vote. Imagine if all the volunteers and money were taken out from WV and invested in a far greater ground game in Collin, Denton, Williamson, and Fort Bend. Beto has a greater chance of holding Texas in 2024 than Manchin has in 2024. 

Yes, and it's a stupid point. The democrats are playing the hand they are dealt, that's the opposite of incompetence. It's also remarkable how every criticism he's throwing at Biden and the democrats can be thrown at Trump and the republicans just the same if not worse. Not the anyone on the right cares about hypocrisy anymore.
They’re not dealt the hand. They chose that hand is my point. 
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I wanna see a Harikrish vs Roosevelt argument. That would be so fun
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If there’s finite resources, allocation is what matters. So reallocating resources is what Dems should’ve focused on, rather than propping someone up who would’ve lost the following cycle anyways.
Please provide the analysis you are relying on to show

A) How much money the democrats are spending on each campaign that they could simply decide to shift towards the other, and

B) The analysis which shows that diverting said resources would change the outcome and give the democrats Beto instead of Joe Manchin.

I'll wait.

GOP didn’t try out of principle for the most part.
The GOP didn't try it because the filibuster is the only weapon they have to gain power. Republicans do not care about governing, so all they can do is caracature the democrats and then attack them over it. The filibuster is what keeps this strategy viable because as long as it remains neither party can get anything done so they'll never have to worry about competing on the merits of their accomplishments.

Also, you're talking about the same party that preaches family values and then elects a president who cheats on his wife with pornstars. A party who loves to waive around their little pocket constitutions while trying to end American democracy. A party that couldn't care less about a president blackmailing an ally into investigating his political opponents while supporting the impeachment of a president who lied about a blow job. Spare me your nonsense talk about principals.
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His administration does. 
No it doesn’t. No administration does dum-dum.

print and spend policies.
Are you referring to Trump? The guy who had trillion dollar deficits and added 8 trillion to the National Debt in just 4 years.

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So how does it feel to know the Dems blew their last 2 years in power to fix anything?
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So how does it feel to know the Dems blew their last 2 years in power to fix anything?
Thank god Beto lost lol.

I know a lot of girls who have a crush on him. Women are weird lol
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So how does it feel to know the Dems blew their last 2 years in power to fix anything?
Hey JoJo dummy

You’ll notice we are not wearing masks anymore. Unemployment is at a record low. The deficit is back to a normal size again. America is becoming a player in microchips, we are no longer wasting our lives and money in Afghanistan, 2021 had record GDP growth way beyond anything we saw under Trump, insulin capped at $35/mo for seniors on Medicare. Also, Medicare will be able to negotiate drug prices, and out of pocket costs for seniors capped at $2000/year. Veterans got support for toxic exposure.

Ya, nothing.
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Cause everyone wrote them off, and to an extent are still writing them off
If those morons win it will be because they cheated. Republicans can only win if they cheat. If they win the people will have to storm the Arizona state house.



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If those morons win it will be because they cheated. Republicans can only win if they cheat. If they win the people will have to storm the Arizona state house.
Please try. Give the GOP another talking point lol. Fact is that voters care more about inflation and crime than J6. Womp womp
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Please try. Give the GOP another talking point lol. Fact is that voters care more about inflation and crime than J6. Womp womp
 Republicans cheat. You guys have said cheating requires a strong response or you’re “not going to have a country” 

Is that black crime? Remember, Jeff Sessions said there are two kinds of crime, regular and black. We would never have inflation during a Republican administration because the economy is always in crisis when they are in charge.

Reagan - Deregulation leads to the S&L crisis. Largest bailout to date at the time. A recession that resulted in over 10% unemployment. Record deficits, he triples the National Debt by cutting taxes for the rich. 

HW Bush -  A big recession and NAFTA is created which cost millions of American jobs in the coming years.

GW Bush - Deregulation and a lack of new regulation leads to the Great Bush recession and the largest bailout in history. We get over 10% unemployment again. He doubles the National debt from 5.5 to 11 trillion.

Trump - A trillion dollar deficit due to tax cuts for the rich is followed by a poor response to Covid and 16% unemployment. Another massive bailout (that’s 3 out of 4 for these Republicans) leads to a 2 trillion dollar deficit. A record 8 trillion will be added to the debt in just 4 years.

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Reagan - Deregulation leads to the S&L crisis. Largest bailout to date at the time. A recession that resulted in over 10% unemployment. Record deficits, he triples the National Debt by cutting taxes for the rich. 

HW Bush -  A big recession and NAFTA is created which cost millions of American jobs in the coming years.

GW Bush - Deregulation and a lack of new regulation leads to the Great Bush recession and the largest bailout in history. We get over 10% unemployment again. He doubles the National debt from 5.5 to 11 trillion.
I don’t care about Reagan nor the Bushes. Bushes were definitely frauds.

Trump - A trillion dollar deficit due to tax cuts for the rich is followed by a poor response to Covid and 16% unemployment.
False. Around 70-80% of Americans experienced a tax deduction because of the TCJA. Most of the deficit is boosted by non-discretionary spending like social security which we both agree cannot be cut.

Another massive bailout (that’s 3 out of 4 for these Republicans) leads to a 2 trillion dollar deficit.
Bailout? PPP wasn’t a bailout. And even if it was, every Democrat voted for it to the best of my knowledge.

A record 8 trillion will be added to the debt in just 4 years.
Also, have you been drinking some tea? Democrats forming the new Tea Party?

I support fiscal responsibility, as I always have. It’s one of the areas I disagree with Trump on
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We have a Tea Party Democrat among us
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Democrays  always be clout chasin
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I support fiscal responsibility, as I always have. It’s one of the areas I disagree with Trump on
Isn’t that convenient? You rail against tax and spend Democrats but Trump blew up the deficit more than any other President. The reality is the Republicans are the most irresponsible when it comes to the budget. Yet some how Republicans only complain about Democrats on the issue of the budget.

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False. Around 70-80% of Americans experienced a tax deduction because of the TCJA. Most of the deficit is boosted by non-discretionary spending like social security which we both agree cannot be cut.
This is such a stupid statement. 80% of Americans got a tax cut? And how much did that amount to in total dollars for the working class? So ordinary Americans each get $100, amounting to a fraction of what the wealthy got.

The budget deficits during the Trump years did not swell to 2 trillion a year because of non-discretionary spending you dipshit. It swelled due to the tax cuts, which in terms of dollars went mainly to millionaires and billionaires. Would you rather get the 10% tax cut of a guy making 50K or a a 5% tax cut of a guy making millions.  Trump had a trillion dollar deficit BEFORE anyone even heard the word COVID. 
 
“As draft language of the bill made its way through Congress, lawmakers friendly to billionaires and their lobbyists were able to nip and tuck and stretch the bill to accommodate a variety of special groups. The flurry of midnight deals and last-minute insertions of language resulted in a vast redistribution of wealth into the pockets of a select set of families, siphoning away billions in tax revenue from the nation’s coffers. This story is based on lobbying and campaign finance disclosures, Treasury Department emails and calendars obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, and confidential tax records”

And if giving people money causes inflation, and Trump gave everyone all this money as you claim, then Trump is responsible for the inflation that followed.


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Bailout? PPP wasn’t a bailout. And even if it was, every Democrat voted for it to the best of my knowledge.
How is PPP not a bailout? It’s giving businesses money to keep from going bankrupt. That accounted for about 2 trillion of the 5 trillion spent for Covid relief bills in 2020. Trump also did tax breaks for businesses even if they laid off workers. Half a trillion went to the Federal Reserve to lend to corporations at near zero interest rates. The 600 billion went to the unemployed. 250 billion went to aid state and local governments to pay their employees.

“Stimulus bills approved by Congress beginning in 2020 unleashed the largest flood of federal money into the United States economy in recorded history. Roughly $5 trillion went to households, mom-and-pop shops, restaurants, airlines, hospitals, local governments, schools and other institutions around the country grappling with the blow inflicted by Covid-19”


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We have a Tea Party Democrat among us.
Fake concern for the economy lol.

“Stimulus bills approved by Congress beginning in 2020...
Stop making Pelosi's Congress look bad. No check in the mail 4 u.

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Isn’t that convenient? You rail against tax and spend Democrats but Trump blew up the deficit more than any other President.
Cause of COVID, but go on. Please keep making a fool of yourself on economics.

The reality is the Republicans are the most irresponsible when it comes to the budget. Yet some how Republicans only complain about Democrats on the issue of the budget.
When? I fully support a balanced budget amendment except for explicit FY waivers.

This is such a stupid statement. 80% of Americans got a tax cut? And how much did that amount to in total dollars for the working class? So ordinary Americans each get $100, amounting to a fraction of what the wealthy got.
How elitist do you have to be to not appreciate a tax cut when you see one. But oh wait let’s look at Joe. What happened to raising taxes on the rich like Dems have promised for decades.

The budget deficits during the Trump years did not swell to 2 trillion a year because of non-discretionary spending you dipshit. It swelled due to the tax cuts, which in terms of dollars went mainly to millionaires and billionaires.
You literally lack zero knowledge about the budgeting process lol. There’s a reason why social security and other entitlements are set to become I solvent. I don’t have to say anything cause Joe and Obama never raised taxes on the rich like they said they would.

Would you rather get the 10% tax cut of a guy making 50K or a a 5% tax cut of a guy making millions.  Trump had a trillion dollar deficit BEFORE anyone even heard the word COVID.
5k is a lot for a guy making 50k. Keep outing yourself you elitist prick.

“As draft language of the bill made its way through Congress, lawmakers friendly to billionaires and their lobbyists were able to nip and tuck and stretch the bill to accommodate a variety of special groups. The flurry of midnight deals and last-minute insertions of language resulted in a vast redistribution of wealth into the pockets of a select set of families, siphoning away billions in tax revenue from the nation’s coffers. This story is based on lobbying and campaign finance disclosures, Treasury Department emails and calendars obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, and confidential tax records”
Propublica lmfaoooo

And if giving people money causes inflation, and Trump gave everyone all this money as you claim, then Trump is responsible for the inflation that followed.
The third stimulus bill was not needed dumbass. I will see you on Election Day Mr. Troll