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@Barney
I am yet to see some save an unknown stranger from a third world country over their own child, yet you wouldn’t use this intuition as a means of dehumanising the impoverished would you?Not sure how you're making that leap.
Because the tool known as my intuition is one which can make decisions which are not entirely inline with moral principles.
Do you agree that when you save your family over some known third world child, that this intuition is not a good means for determining moral worth - that the intuition which makes you choose family over the unknown is not one which ought to convey moral agency?
Zero people know the unborn.Is it conceivable to you that a woman who has tried her entire life to conceive a child would value their unborn more than some child who she does not know?I'm not discussing forced abortions against the will of the pregnant women.
And neither am I. The reason I ask - is it conceivable to you that a woman who has tried her entire life to conceive a child would value their unborn more than some child who she does not know - is because you seem to imply that choosing the unborn over the born is some outrageous never-heard-before scenario.
In saying this it seems that you are implying that there is some difference between a first trimester and third trimester unborn in terms of moral worth. Could you identify what defines such a difference? If you believe abortion is slavery, shouldn’t you object to it at every stage?It is not until sometime in the third trimester that a fetus is developed to the point where it could feel pain. That late in, there's at least a discussion to be had on harms potentially experienced.
So pain is what conveys moral consideration? Would this be correct?
And I do not believe abortion is slavery. I have been clear that I believe placing women into indentured servitude for use against their will as medical devices is slavery.
Sorry - mistyped. You believe that forcing a woman to carry her preganancy is slavery. In which case, why does the trimester matter? In all trimesters, forcing a woman to go on with her pregnancy is slavery. Here's the issue I have
- If banning abortion entails slavery (unborn to mother) and slavery is a universal sin, then you would allow for abortion at all stages.
- Yet you mention "pain" as a means for dilenating from third trimester abortions, which implies that it is not actually the "slavery" argument, but the fact that you think the unborn is worthless.