Suppose a theist system with a "heaven" exists, would the heavens practice socialism/communism?

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The original words of the Bible should not be evidence to negate this solely because the idea of communism and socialism would have not been accurately translated nonetheless.

So, as a non-theist, the heavens just sounds like a filter system where only the "best", the "most moral" people are selected to go do, the others go to hell or something like that. The morals align with the common knowledge of humanity for the most part, such as altruism and genuinity in actions, etc.

That would mean in the heavens:
  • People are obedient
  • People can live with other people in peace and harmony without discrimination for the most part
  • People are all similar and share similar beliefs
  • People are not greedy and only take what they need
  • People actually think(which ironically is something a great deal of theists lack today --- They wouldn't qualify for their own heavens!)
  • People can love and enjoy life
The result for this would be utopia based on how the system idealistically works. If we filter people to only benevolent ones that share a belief, surely we could get communism working, eh?

And yet some of the conservatives keep saying that God intended America to be capitalist and white. I am curious to see how many, if any, priests and preachers in the US would get into the heavens they themselves applied soundly inside built halls.

Correct me if I am wrong about anything, and yes, we know BrotherD.Thomas is being intentionally loathful.
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Heaven isn't really talked about much if any in the bible. It looks like the laws he gives to the Jews are consistent with capitalism more than communism.

Your claims seem to be self refuting. You acknowledge that socialism needs perfect incorruptible humans to work and then seem to insinuate Christians should want a socialist society.

Why should Christians want a socialist society which according to your claim requires good humans when the current society has good people (according to God's standards" few and far between? 
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Governments are a social response to need and threat.

Economies are a social response to want.  I have something you want, you have something I want.

None of these conditions seem to exist in most descriptions of heaven.

The immortal bard David Byrne instructs us, "heaven is a place where nothing ever happens"

Your hypothesis goes further towards disproving heaven than proving it must be socialist.

If heaven is not eternally satisfying, then heaven is not heaven.  But if my brother is in hell, I can never be satisfied.  Therefore there is either no hell or else no heaven.  If a Christian gets to heaven and finds out that St. Peter lets anybody in, even atheists, will that Christian will be so dissatisfied looking back on the pleasure he need not have foregone, that he can never find satisfaction in heaven?

If there is food in heaven, is there shit in heaven? 
Do animals get heaven?  Can animals be used for food in heaven?

The Buddhist conception of nirvana comes closest to a workable theory of heaven.  By achieving a state where you no longer desire satisfaction, comfort, immortality you are as close to a realistic state of heaven as the human mind can conceive.


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Yes, the heaven is Communism as long as Communism is a place without exploitation and heaven is a place without exploitation.

North Korea is the closest thing we have to heaven.
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Your hypothesis goes further towards disproving heaven than proving it must be socialist.
Exactly. I think there is no heaven(or hell, so to speak), and even if there is one, it gotta be socialist. The assumption of the heaven being socialist is based on whether it exists at all, which I don't even think it does.

This is more like a thought experiment or even shower thought(even though I haven't showered for days, surely that can't get me in hell), but oh well, shower thoughts function as the next best thing for DART forum topics than political ranting, I guess.

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oromagi,

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE IN BEING A MACKEREL SNAPPER CATHOLIC: "If there is food in heaven, is there shit in heaven? Do animals get heaven?  Can animals be used for food in heaven?"

As you being a Hell bound Catholic, I expected your Bible ignorance to the questions you posed!

Remember Bible fool, that Jesus as God created Adam in His likeness: "Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, .....  in the image of God he created them" (Genesis 1:26-27).

Barring that Jesus as God said "in our image," signifying there was more than one God in heaven, Jesus as God created Adam in the image of Himself and likeness as Genesis 1: 26-27 specifically shows. Therefore, He created Adam with a penis, asshole, mouth, and stomach, etc., that obviously Jesus in heaven had at that time as well. Therefore, the simple deduction is that there is  food in heaven, and therefore poo poo as well!   2+2=4. 

Another aspect of food in heaven and poo poo is this passage: "Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven." (1 Corinthians 15:49)


HELLO?  Of course animals go to heaven Bible ignorant Cathylick, and since men only go to heaven with our earthly bodies, we have to eat animals, so Jesus as God saves them!:  “Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your judgments are like the great deep; you save humans and animals alike, O LORD.” (Psalm 36:6)


Oromagi, since you are a male Catholic, Jesus wants me to give you the following information just in case you were sexually abused by your ungodly pedophile Catholic Priests as an innocent child.  If you were abused, and you’re still able to walk, and barring that you probably have a falsetto voice from being continually buggered, there is help for you by contacting the following organization:

SURVIVORS NETWORK OF THOSE ABUSED BY PRIESTS 

You can thank me later.

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He was most likely groomed so thank you for helping him. Something like 70% of homosexuals were sexually abused as children. (It's how they reproduce), so in all likelihood his catholic up bringing is why he is in his current predicament.

I am praying for him.

#prayerwarrrior
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. The morals align with the common knowledge of humanity for the most part, such as altruism and genuinity in actions, etc.

That would mean in the heavens:
  • People are obedient
  • People can live with other people in peace and harmony without discrimination for the most part
  • People are all similar and share similar beliefs
  • People are not greedy and only take what they need
  • People actually think(which ironically is something a great deal of theists lack today --- They wouldn't qualify for their own heavens!)
  • People can love and enjoy life
What makes you think that these are the ingredients to Socialism/Communism?

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What makes you think that these are the ingredients to Socialism/Communism?
His view is what he personally has seen with the CPP and his interpretation of that
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What makes you think that these are the ingredients to Socialism/Communism?
Each person has a different opinion on what Communism is. Ask 20 people and you will get 20 different definitions.
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Communism/Socialism as an economic system is predicated upon scarcity of resources, just as any other economic theory. In heaven there would be no such scarcity, so I would say no in terms of economics.

In terms of governmental structure, God is the epitome of an absolute dictator, so straight up monarchy(theocracy?) on that front.
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Too hypothetical.
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Backing up.

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Yeah, an extremely small fringe are about the so-called "White Christian Nationalisms" but empirically speaking, I'm a  hardcore LaVeyan Satanist and a staunch Nationalist Capitalist Constitutional Conservative Citizen of the USA and my friends and family members - none of them are Stanist, and, as a former member of a certain libeled and slandered fraternity, the criticism of my religion and ethics were quickly assuaged, maybe not converted but condoned.

I'm saying that it's in the realm of slander to say that Christian Conservatives, or other Conservatives like me, are at all supportive of Hitlerian or ol' Democrat KKK-style racial purity.

No.

We want, not purity, but acknowledgement...and not racial, and, generally speaking not spiritual, either.

Acknowledge the historic prosperity and freedoms the USA has brought to the world, boogers and all. 

Every Trump supporter I know, also know my zealously held Satanic beliefs as well as my loyalty and Nationalist Pride in the USA.

We are the best people's from across the globe because our immigrant and settling/colonizing Forefathers came here to assimilate to being American...not settle in small little Old World enclaves leeching off the freedoms protected herein yet remaining alien to the overarching and ultimately superior culture that the assimilating/ed immigrant/settler/colonizer chose to come to...slaves were forced but they too were freed and given the choice to return their Motherland or stay and (eventually) become productive and equally franchised American Citizens.

The anti-American squatters stay and leech because, though they'd deny it, we are better.

Not whites over blacks, etc. but all of us.

Our American-Euro-Centrics are superior in quity than their relatives back Europe, and that's most apparent with the American-African Citizenry.

Our blacks, having been eugenically bred for four hundred some odd years, and therefore are physically and intellectually superior to their Motherland distant cousins...hip hop and thug culture not withstanding.

American culture has been the biggest boon to individual advancement in both economic and personal agency the world has still yet to better...and might not.

And I thank the Christian community for their warrior ancestors civilizing into Enlightenment Scholars and then into Constitutional Nation Building Giants.

How deeply each Founding Father's religious/spiritual beliefs are held up for a constant debate with theists and atheist citin this or that to say Franklin was both a devout Christian, an Illuminati Satanist, Free Mason Luciferian, Atheist, Slave-Appologist...whatever.

The Constitutional Representative Democratic Republic that they took years to codify brought us from no steam power, late iron-age to where we are now in 250 some-odd years.

That's because of the Constitution, & the People who used to be Patriots - either party (they both use to love America, now only Repubz seem to and the only time Demzez do is when they can castigate some Conservative for whatever) used actually want American Primacy.

They'd all been mostly Nationalists till really Carter.

Reagan was, but Bush 1 was a globalist but also a capitalist soooo... Clinton was a UN puppet, Bush 2, too.

Obama with his absolute dedication to Marxist Socialist ideology, actively worked to hurt American values and global standing.

DJT45 was a hardcore Nationalist, a definite Egoist, and a Capitalist and was besought by the Uniparty Globalist Marxist Socialist Oligarchical cabal consisting of Big Brother, Big Tech, Entertainment, Education, Health, Business to stall and reverse his gains.

Lies and slanders and libels and false accusations, riots, impeachments, a deadly virus and shady elections all to beat back DJT45 and us, rationally Patriotic Americans into subservience to the globalist Marxist Agenda...and now Biden, a practical RICO mobster-esque traitor is their puppet and anyone can see the difference in standards of global living. We are closer to nuclear than when Stalin or Kruschev were in Power...he's owned by the CCP and not because he's a committed commie but a commited corruptible politician.

Anyway, I'm a Satanists an Ultra-MAGA Trumplican soon to be third time voter. Have a good one.
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The original words of the Bible should not be evidence to negate this solely because the idea of communism and socialism would have not been accurately translated nonetheless.
That is likely to be the case. As communism and socialism are relatively new ideas - 18-20th century, although there are traces that might appear is other forms as well in history. People have always look for some kind of utopia. 

So, as a non-theist, the heavens just sounds like a filter system where only the "best", the "most moral" people are selected to go do, the others go to hell or something like that. The morals align with the common knowledge of humanity for the most part, such as altruism and genuinity in actions, etc.
That's kind of intriguing to me. For me, heaven will have all sorts of people. It is not a filter really, save and except for people who really don't want to be there and people who don't wish to demonstrate loyalty to their king.  Hence there will be all sorts of people there. 


That would mean in the heavens:
  • People are obedient
  • People can live with other people in peace and harmony without discrimination for the most part
  • People are all similar and share similar beliefs
  • People are not greedy and only take what they need
  • People actually think(which ironically is something a great deal of theists lack today --- They wouldn't qualify for their own heavens!)
  • People can love and enjoy life
Again intriguing spin.   Is someone being obedient if they are simply doing what they want to do?  My wife could command me to kiss her. Would I see that as obedience if I kissed her or not?  I could put that spin on - but why? I like to kiss my wife - and I don't even need a command to do so. I think the same thing happens in heaven. People want to do the right thing. Obedience is simply spin.  

I think people in heaven will have a variety of views. People will probably have the same views they have now. Of course they might be more informed. Yet, backgrounds and cultures will still be in play.  

I reject the idea that theists don't think. That is just nonsense.  Theists tend to be the people who think the most and write the most and publish the most. Today and in history.  They might think differently from a non-theist but that doesn't qualify as not thinking.  I might think that non-theists don't think very deeply. I. might think that non-theists don't want to ask deep questions. But that would be true for only some not all. 

The result for this would be utopia based on how the system idealistically works. If we filter people to only benevolent ones that share a belief, surely we could get communism working, eh?
Communism has never worked and will never work. It relies upon the view that people are basically good. 
And yet some of the conservatives keep saying that God intended America to be capitalist and white. I am curious to see how many, if any, priests and preachers in the US would get into the heavens they themselves applied soundly inside built halls.
I'm not American so I can't speak for them.  But in Australia, the Christians don't go on about capitalist and white.  Perhaps capitalism - which reflects more accurately the selfishness and self-interest of people. But not the white part.  Many conservative Christians I know come from Asia and Africa. 


Correct me if I am wrong about anything, and yes, we know BrotherD.Thomas is being intentionally loathful.
That I do agree with. BDT is always intentionally loathful. 
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You sound like an intriguing person. 

It'd be good to chat sometime. 

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I'm a Satanists.

I bet you've got a red cap too.

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Heaven is supposedly a perfect place, as perfection is beyond our comprehension, then trying to visualise what it might be like is probably a waste of time.
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Maybe heaven is a coping strategy, thought up by people who couldn't comprehend not being alive.
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Yes, that is how I see it.