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@Greyparrot
"Compelling evidence should never take 800 pages to explain"
Who actually thinks that I will read their 800 pages? Give me few pages that have evidence. It shouldnt be hard if they are telling the truth.
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@Public-Choice
Hmmmm.
I not sure that he did all this by himself.
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@Double_R
They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people”
Are you blind. He just called some are good people. But it is common knowledge that a lot of illegal immigrants will be involved in illegal activities.
The January 6th committee just released an 800 plus page report explaining their evidence. Have you read it? Do you have any clue what’s in it besides what Fox News and OANN told you?
I don't watch Fox.
And why does it take the committee 800+ pages to explain why Trump incited the riot. If it was so obvious that he, did it, it would take only a couple of pages.
This isn’t rocket science.
Then why 800+ pages. Some rocket science papers have less pages.
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@zedvictor4
I mean. Obama didn't pass Obamacare all by himself and Biden didn't pass Build Back Better all by himself, but we still credit those people with those policies.
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@Public-Choice
They will take the credit for sure.
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@Double_R
@YouFound_Lxam
it is common knowledge that a lot of illegal immigrants will be involved in illegal activities.
For proof of this:
- 66.5% of undocumented migrants who were apprehended by border patrol in 2018 were convicted criminals.
- 6% of the prison population is illegal immigrants
- 21% of prisoners are foreign born
And in Texas 719 out of 100,000 immigrants commit a crime.
- Undocumented migrants are allegedly 142% more likely to be arrested for a crime in Arizona.
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@Public-Choice
Welp... Under [Trump's] leadership, Russia didn't attack anyone,
- False. Russia conducted attacks on the North Caucuses, Ingushetia, the Central African Republic, Ukraine, and Syria including one attack against US Forces in Syria during Trump's time in office.
- Russia conducted major cyberwarfare attacks in the US, France, UK, Germany, Poland, Romania, South Korea, Venezuala, and of course, the larges cyberwarfare campaign ever in Ukraine during Trump's time in office.
- Trump failed to condemn even one of these attacks, including the attack on the US Forces for which he was Commander in Chief
.ISIS was nearly demolished,
- Trump does deserve some credit here.
NATO paid their fair share,
- Smaller NATO countries did increase their burden sharing at Trump's urging but Trump's plan to withdraw from NATO was generally sidestepped and ignored by the Pentagon
the Middle East signed the Abraham Accords,
- Only Israel and the UAE signed the actual accords but 5 Muslim nations recognized Israeli sovereignity in its wake. I call that successful progress toward peace.
countries revised their tariffs,
- Trump unilateraly imposed hostile tarriffs that triggered a trade war with China and damaging retaliatory actions from Canada, Mexico, EU, India
- the Quarterly Journal of Economics estimated that U.S. consumers and firms who buy imports lost $51 billion (0.27% of GDP) as a result of the 2018 tariffs. After accounting for increases in government tariff revenue and gains to U.S. producers, the study authors estimated the aggregate U.S. real income loss to be $7.2 billion (0.04% of GDP). The study found that "retaliatory tariffs resulted in a 9.9% decline in U.S. exports within products." The study also found that workers in heavily Republican counties suffered the most from the trade war, because retaliatory tariffs focused on agricultural products.
- In CBO's estimation, the trade barriers put in place by the United States and its trading partners between January 2018 and January 2020 would reduce real GDP over the projection period. The effects of those barriers on trade flows, prices, and output are projected to peak during the first half of 2020 and then begin to subside. Tariffs are expected to reduce the level of real GDP by roughly 0.5 percent and raise consumer prices by 0.5 percent in 2020. As a result, tariffs are also projected to reduce average real household income by $1,277 (in 2019 dollars) in 2020. CBO expects the effect of trade barriers on output and prices to diminish over time as businesses continue to adjust their supply chains in response to the changes in the international trading environment
- Amounted to the largest tax increase in the US since Nixon, weighing heaviest on the rust belt and farmers.
- the U.S.'s trade deficit grew by $119 billion, reaching $621 billion, the highest it had been since 2008.
- Between .5-1% US real GDP lost
- unmitigated fucking disaster for no reason except Trump's economic ignorance
he negotiated a brand new trade agreement with Mexico and Canada,
- An International Monetary Fund (IMF) paper issued in late March 2019 found that the agreement would have "negligible" effects on the broad economy
- https://web.archive.org/web/20210214232349/https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WP/Issues/2019/03/26/NAFTA-to-USMCA-What-is-Gained-46680
and he got foreign countries to invest hundreds of billions of dollars into the United States and sign contracts for hundreds of billions more.
- FROM "The Cost of Trump’s Economic Nationalism: A Loss of Foreign Investment in the United States"
- For a summary indicator, look at flows of foreign direct investment (FDI) into the United States in the first quarter of 2018 (the latest data available from the US Bureau of Economic Analysis) and in the same quarter of 2017 and 2016. In the first quarter of 2016, the total net inflow was $146.5 billion. For the same quarter in 2017, it was $89.7 billion. In 2018, it was down to $51.3 billion. This decline was not driven by changes in Chinese investment, which flows both ways and so contributes little to changes in the net figure. (In the first quarter of 2016, the United States saw a small net inflow of $4.5 billion from China, and in the same period in 2018, it saw a small net outflow to China of $300 million.)The falloff is a result of a general decline in the United States’ attractiveness as a place to make long-term business commitments.
- excluding the Pandemic's destruction of Foreign investment- Trump net foreign investment came in a little under zero increase
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_direct_investment#/media/File:World_Foreign_Direct_Investment.png
How much more should he have done to be considered "clever or sophisticated enough"?
- sophistication and cleverness have nothing with how much you do and everything to do with how intelligently you do it. Intelligent decision-making is almost always a team effort- a concept for which Trump possesses litte comprehension.
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@oromagi
Trump failed to condemn even one of these attacks
If he condemned them, then everything would be okay. I wonder how we didnt think of that solution before. Good one.
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@PREZ-HILTON
It isn't a blanket statement. It merely means there are some criminals in the mix it does not say a majority or anything like that. The statement would still be true if 1 in 500 immigrants were criminals.
That’s an absurd interpretation.
There are some criminals in every single large population group we would conceivably ever discuss, so if that’s all he was saying his statement would be completely and utterly meaningless.
For him to talk about Mexico ‘sending their criminals and rapists’ as meaningful there would have to be a significant number of Mexicans in that group who are rapists in order to warrant him calling this out as a major political issue that’s not only worth noting, but significant enough to build his presidential candidacy on top of. You cannot a straight face suggest he was “merely” pointing out that fact that criminals exist within this group.
Yep you cut off the last part which stated it was very temporary until they could figure out how to reduce terrorists from immigrating to the United States.
His next sentence was “until our leaders can figure out what the hell is going on”. I cut that off for good reason, because there is nothing of any intellectual substance being communicated there.
First of all, our leaders have a very good understanding what the hell is going on. Trump is as usual, projecting his own remarkable ignorance.
Second, the complete vagueness of this “temporary” timeline leaves open the possibility that he would just leave it as is indefinitely, which is exactly what he did once he figured out how to enact it. This is what he’s done every time he pretended some decision he made was temporary from this to not releasing his taxes to appointing “acting” heads of various US intelligence agencies. he never intends to do things the right way until he is forced. The most basic observation of this man makes that blatantly obvious that he never had any intention of this being short term.
I believe he figured it out fast, never instituted the ban because he figured it out and instead just targeted countries who statistically were more likely to send terrorists.
No, what he figured out was that the constitution does not allow a religious test to determine one’s eligibility to come to the US, so he had to figure out a way to get what he wanted by repackaging his proposal as geographic location based instead of religious based. And even then, his ban was blocked numerous times by numerous federal judges until he amended it enough so that it didn’t appear on its face to be a Muslim ban. Anyone following this in real time could see how flagrantly obvious his intentions were.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Are you blind. He just called some are good people. But it is common knowledge that a lot of illegal immigrants will be involved in illegal activities.
First of all, read my post again. I already addressed the “some are good people” part.
Second, nothing in Trump’s speech suggested he was only talking about illegal immigrants. He talked about the people Mexico was ‘sending over’ (whatever that even means). If he wanted it to be clear that he was only talking about those here illegally he would have went out of his way to say so. He didn’t.
Third, your statement that illegal immigrants are more likely to be involved in illegal activities is just plain wrong. Every serious study on this consistently shows that illegal immigrants are the least likely of any group within the US to commit crimes, and the reason for this is not rocket science; they are terrified of getting caught. The last thing they want is to get stopped by police. They don’t get the luxury of spending a night in jail, they will get deported. That’s quite a big motivator.
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@Greyparrot
@YouFound_Lxam
And why does it take the committee 800+ pages to explain why Trump incited the riot. If it was so obvious that he, did it, it would take only a couple of pages.
Compelling evidence should never take 800 pages to explain.
In all seriousness, this is a ridiculous argument and you two really should abandon it immediately.
It doesn’t take 800 pages to see that Trump was responsible for January 6th. That’s just how much evidence is out there because this was such an obvious case.
Much of the evidence is right there is plain sight because he did it right in front of our own eyes. But I’m not going to go through all of that right now so let’s just make this really simple; go through the Mark Meadows text messages. Take note of how all the people around Trump including Sean Hannity, Laura Ingram and Hope Hicks understood full well as it was happening that Trump was responsible. That alone should tell you something, and that’s before we get to the mountain of evidence.
This isn’t rocket science.
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@Double_R
Third, your statement that illegal immigrants are more likely to be involved in illegal activities is just plain wrong. Every serious study on this consistently shows that illegal immigrants are the least likely of any group within the US to commit crimes, and the reason for this is not rocket science; they are terrified of getting caught. The last thing they want is to get stopped by police. They don’t get the luxury of spending a night in jail, they will get deported. That’s quite a big motivator.
If illegal immigrants crossed the border illegally, then they have no basic identification, when it comes to crime. So, let's say an immigrant murdered someone. At the crime scene, forensics experts won't be able to identify the perpetrator, based on DNA or any other means. This means that even if the immigrant gets caught in the act, all they have to do is get away, and no one will be able to locate them.
Assuming that immigrants won't commit crimes based on only the fact that they are terrified of getting caught, is racist in of itself, because you are assuming that all immigrants that cross the border, are stupid, and don't understand basic United States law.
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@Double_R
In all seriousness, this is a ridiculous argument and you two really should abandon it immediately.It doesn’t take 800 pages to see that Trump was responsible for January 6th. That’s just how much evidence is out there because this was such an obvious case.Much of the evidence is right there is plain sight because he did it right in front of our own eyes. But I’m not going to go through all of that right now so let’s just make this really simple; go through the Mark Meadows text messages. Take note of how all the people around Trump including Sean Hannity, Laura Ingram and Hope Hicks understood full well as it was happening that Trump was responsible. That alone should tell you something, and that’s before we get to the mountain of evidence.This isn’t rocket science.
Then why is there evidence of FBI agents whispering in people's ears, and then seconds later, they are tearing down blockades and other things of that manner? And why when the FBI was questioned about this, did they refuse to answer, or address these claims?
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@Double_R
For him to talk about Mexico ‘sending their criminals and rapists’ as meaningful there would have to be a significant number of Mexicans in that group who are rapists in order to warrant him calling this out as a major political issue
1% of a million people is pretty significant.
Second, the complete vagueness of this “temporary” timeline leaves open the possibility that he would just leave it as is indefinitely
This may be news to you but ummm. There is no Muslim ban. They immigrate here everyday.
No, what he figured out was that the constitution does not allow a religious test to determine one’s eligibility to come to the US
The constitution doesn't apply to non Americans. It's why enemy combatants don't have rights.
First of all, our leaders have a very good understanding what the hell is going on. Trump is as usual, projecting his own remarkable ignorance
Then they can only be called evil by not solving the problem. They really should focus on solutions if everyone but Trump understands the problem perfectly.
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@Double_R
It doesn’t take 800 pages to see that Trump was responsible for January 6th. That’s just how much evidence is out there because this was such an obvious case.
I am just pointing out the obvious.
The Watergate commission didn't feel the need to spend 800 pages describing a story about a cousin's friend's coworker's story who heard what a driver of a car said. Why? Because it took 1 page to prove an obvious case.
Obviously.
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@Public-Choice
Is Trump still the President?
Is Hitler still the leader of Germany?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
It’s 2023 you dumbass. Not 1945. 🤦♂️
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@Greyparrot
Exactly.
Most people won't do more work than they have to.
Making an 800+ page reason for why trump incited the January 6 riot is just plain stupid.
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@TWS1405_2
It’s 2023 you dumbass. Not 1945. 🤦♂️
Live long and prosper LCpl Loser
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@IwantRooseveltagain
What a banal sophomoric retort there, Mr Dunning Kruger.
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@YouFound_Lxam
It's a well known debate fallacy. Bombard your opponent with so many arguments, no matter how relevant, so that the truth can never be disputed.
The Watergate commission didn't feel the need to spend 800 pages describing a story about a cousin's friend's coworker's story who heard what a driver of a car said. Why? Because it took 1 page to prove an obvious case.
Really? How many pages do you think the Senate Select Committee Report on Watergate was?
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@oromagi
Isis was nearly demolished.
Says a lot really.
I think that similar jobs were also left unfinished.
Just ask our new buddies in Afghanistan.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
The Watergate commission didn't feel the need to spend 800 pages describing a story about a cousin's friend's coworker's story who heard what a driver of a car said. Why? Because it took 1 page to prove an obvious case.Really? How many pages do you think the Senate Select Committee Report on Watergate was?
It was 1,250 pages...but hey, the kid was only off by 1,249 pages.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Assuming that immigrants won't commit crimes based on only the fact that they are terrified of getting caught, is racist in of itself, because you are assuming that all immigrants that cross the border, are stupid, and don't understand basic United States law.
This is really simple. People who are here illegally face far more dire consequences for engaging in certain behaviors than legal residents, therefore they are less likely to engage in those behaviors. That’s not racist. That doesn’t imply stupidity. It’s basic human nature and common sense.
Then why is there evidence of FBI agents whispering in people's ears, and then seconds later, they are tearing down blockades and other things of that manner? And why when the FBI was questioned about this, did they refuse to answer, or address these claims?
There is absolutely no evidence of FBI agents engaging in the Capitol riots in any way.
The reason the FBI wouldn’t answer the questions is because they were framed in such a way as to ensure they wouldn’t answer them. The FBI’s biggest concern when answering any question is to ensure their sources and methods for attaining information are not compromised, if they are then their ability to solve cases would be irreparably harmed because people would lose trust in the institution and not talk to them. Every question Cruz asked was phrased as “FBI agents or informants”. An FBI informant is *anyone* who speaks to the FBI and gives them information, so as soon as he throws that word in there she is not allowed to touch that question with a ten foot pole regardless of what he’s asking.
This is conspiracy theory nonsense 101; ask questions authorities are not allowed to answer for valid reasons and then pretend a lack of an answer implies some conspiratorial guilt. It works because people are terribly ignorant of how the real world works. The crazy thing is that Ted Cruz understands this full well, the guy is a Harvard graduate. He did that on purpose because he knows people like you would fall for it, and it clearly worked.
The only thing your video demonstrates is how loathful of a human being Ted Cruz is. And notice how he does the Trump thing of pretending that these are legitimate questions because “a lot of people are concerned” about this. Yeah no shit, they’re concerned because they have people like himself purposefully spreading this garbage.
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@PREZ-HILTON
For him to talk about Mexico ‘sending their criminals and rapists’ as meaningful there would have to be a significant number of Mexicans in that group who are rapists in order to warrant him calling this out as a major political issue1% of a million people is pretty significant.
Can you guys make up your mind?
The whole conversation started because I said Trump called Mexicans criminals and rapists, and the rebuttal to me proving that point is ‘well dUh they are’?
Did he call them rapists or not?
This may be news to you but ummm. There is no Muslim ban. They immigrate here everyday.
No shit. That’s because (A) the courts would not allow a Muslim ban, and (B) the “travel ban” Trump was constitutionally allowed to put in place was rescinded on day one of the Biden administration. What part of anything I said are you under the impression you were refuting?
First of all, our leaders have a very good understanding what the hell is going on. Trump is as usual, projecting his own remarkable ignoranceThen they can only be called evil by not solving the problem. They really should focus on solutions if everyone but Trump understands the problem perfectly.
Understanding a problem and being able to solve it are two entirely different things. It turns out the world is quite complicated.
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@YouFound_Lxam
But it is common knowledge that a lot of illegal immigrants will be involved in illegal activities.
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@Double_R
The FBI’s biggest concern when answering any question is to ensure their sources and methods for attaining information are not compromised
That doesn't answer why thy FBI informant wouldn't answer the question. If they had nothing to do with the riot, then why would they have a problem with answering?
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@Sidewalker
Those studies don’t account for their first born in country. They do commit a lot of crimes.
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@TWS1405_2
Those studies don’t account for their first born in country. They do commit a lot of crimes.
Much less than the general popolation.
I know it's hard for a racist to accept, but you'll just have to get over it.